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of course, it'd take just as long to spin up the nation and trained manpower.
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KW Driver wrote:of course, it'd take just as long to spin up the nation and trained manpower.
Given the technology, it would require less manpower. Of course, the Germans would have to be more technology-driven, too.
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TC204 wrote:
zenk0006 wrote:.1 million serving in the National Guard and Reserve forces. There are also roughly 25 million veterans in our country, or roughly 8% of our population.

If those who wish us harm could neutralize or equal many of our technological advantages, could our nation, filled with narcissistic youth, step up with the same intestinal fortitude as the Greatest Generation?
The same size and type of landing on an unsecured beachhead? If the Germans have miniguns in the bunkers you could forget making it off the beach! MG-42's were bad enough.
The tactics would match the technology. Bunkers on the beach would be no match for current technology, so it's a moot point.

The fact of the matter is, the current generation is doing a standup job on the front lines. It's only back here at home that we see the weakness of sheeple.
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TC204 wrote:Tactics like the WW2 style invasions are as obsolete as the march in lock step civil war tactics. So I think it's all a moot point :wink:
It all depends on the enemy. Desert Storm was basically a WWII tactic. It resembled, very closely, the invasion of Poland. It also took just about as long as that Blitzkrieg.

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rgrokelley wrote:Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.

It all depends on the enemy and the situation
When I was a Private in 3rd ID (God, I hated being Mech) my PSG told me the same thing. "Paratroopers are a thing of the past. You don't want to go jump out of airplanes. You should stay here in a tank battalion." I thought about him and his bullshit advice after I jumped into Iraq.

I wanted to find him and say "Suck it, leg!" :twisted:

In regards to the initial post, I think that people usually rise to the occasion. Our warriors are doing a great job right now sacrificing for the nation. There has not been a need for anything yet on the scale of WW2.

My son who just returned from Afghanistan and all of his buddies and the kids like them who are stepping up are evidence that we as a country are doing ok.

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rgrokelley wrote:

Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
Senior officers were telling us in 1969 that the Army was planning to phase out airborne troops by 1974. "All the airborne operations in WWII were screw-ups" was the quote I heard from an 05.
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Lefty wrote:
rgrokelley wrote:

Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
Senior officers were telling us in 1969 that the Army was planning to phase out airborne troops by 1974. "All the airborne operations in WWII were screw-ups" was the quote I heard from an 05.
They were all screw ups. So were all the beach landings, bomber raids and tank battles. All battles are screw ups. The winner is the one who screws up the least and takes advantage of the enemy's screw ups.
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sitting in an orbit over an American combat arms unit trying to conduct combat operations in Mosul, I looked over to my SCO in my left seat and said, "we have fielded the most technologically advanced, professional military force the world has ever seen, and there are days that I simply weep for humanity."

he laughed and shook his head.
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TC204 wrote:
rgrokelley wrote:
TC204 wrote:Tactics like the WW2 style invasions are as obsolete as the march in lock step civil war tactics. So I think it's all a moot point :wink:
It all depends on the enemy. Desert Storm was basically a WWII tactic. It resembled, very closely, the invasion of Poland. It also took just about as long as that Blitzkrieg.

Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.

It all depends on the enemy and the situation
Very true, General Schwarkopfs tactics in Desert Storm were supposedly WW2 Heinz Guderian tactics, and Guderian based a lot of his tactics on Alexander and Genghis Khan.
I always thought Rommel was the one who was emulated.
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