D-Day and our nation today
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Re: D-Day and our nation today
Yes
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Repeal the 16th, enforce the 10th.
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124 MI(LRSD) 90-91 (Desert Storm)
Repeal the 16th, enforce the 10th.
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"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." Gen. James Mattis
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Re: D-Day and our nation today
of course, it'd take just as long to spin up the nation and trained manpower.
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RS 10-94.
200 meters of green shit next to a river in the desert does not qualify as a "Crescent of Fertility" -me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, one meter wide and two meters long" -Lazarus Long
RS 10-94.
200 meters of green shit next to a river in the desert does not qualify as a "Crescent of Fertility" -me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, one meter wide and two meters long" -Lazarus Long
Re: D-Day and our nation today
Given the technology, it would require less manpower. Of course, the Germans would have to be more technology-driven, too.KW Driver wrote:of course, it'd take just as long to spin up the nation and trained manpower.
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Advisor, VN 66-68 69-70
42d Vn Ranger Battalion 1969-1970
Trainer, El Salvador 86-87
Advisor, Saudi Arabian National Guard 91, 93-94
75th RRA Life Member #867
Re: D-Day and our nation today
The tactics would match the technology. Bunkers on the beach would be no match for current technology, so it's a moot point.TC204 wrote:The same size and type of landing on an unsecured beachhead? If the Germans have miniguns in the bunkers you could forget making it off the beach! MG-42's were bad enough.zenk0006 wrote:.1 million serving in the National Guard and Reserve forces. There are also roughly 25 million veterans in our country, or roughly 8% of our population.
If those who wish us harm could neutralize or equal many of our technological advantages, could our nation, filled with narcissistic youth, step up with the same intestinal fortitude as the Greatest Generation?
The fact of the matter is, the current generation is doing a standup job on the front lines. It's only back here at home that we see the weakness of sheeple.
C Co 3/75 88-90 (Just Cause)
124 MI(LRSD) 90-91 (Desert Storm)
Repeal the 16th, enforce the 10th.
ΜΩΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." Gen. James Mattis
Panem Et Circenses
My safe space
124 MI(LRSD) 90-91 (Desert Storm)
Repeal the 16th, enforce the 10th.
ΜΩΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." Gen. James Mattis
Panem Et Circenses
My safe space
- rgrokelley
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Re: D-Day and our nation today
It all depends on the enemy. Desert Storm was basically a WWII tactic. It resembled, very closely, the invasion of Poland. It also took just about as long as that Blitzkrieg.TC204 wrote:Tactics like the WW2 style invasions are as obsolete as the march in lock step civil war tactics. So I think it's all a moot point
Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
It all depends on the enemy and the situation
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Re: D-Day and our nation today
When I was a Private in 3rd ID (God, I hated being Mech) my PSG told me the same thing. "Paratroopers are a thing of the past. You don't want to go jump out of airplanes. You should stay here in a tank battalion." I thought about him and his bullshit advice after I jumped into Iraq.rgrokelley wrote:Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
It all depends on the enemy and the situation
I wanted to find him and say "Suck it, leg!"

In regards to the initial post, I think that people usually rise to the occasion. Our warriors are doing a great job right now sacrificing for the nation. There has not been a need for anything yet on the scale of WW2.
My son who just returned from Afghanistan and all of his buddies and the kids like them who are stepping up are evidence that we as a country are doing ok.
Just my .02
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THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
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Re: D-Day and our nation today
Senior officers were telling us in 1969 that the Army was planning to phase out airborne troops by 1974. "All the airborne operations in WWII were screw-ups" was the quote I heard from an 05.rgrokelley wrote:
Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
RLTW
Lefty
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Lefty
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Ranger Class 13-70
MACV Tm 21 70-71 (2nd ARVN Ranger Gp 23d
BN)
2/13 Armor 1st Cav 71-72
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Re: D-Day and our nation today
They were all screw ups. So were all the beach landings, bomber raids and tank battles. All battles are screw ups. The winner is the one who screws up the least and takes advantage of the enemy's screw ups.Lefty wrote:Senior officers were telling us in 1969 that the Army was planning to phase out airborne troops by 1974. "All the airborne operations in WWII were screw-ups" was the quote I heard from an 05.rgrokelley wrote:
Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
A & C Company, 3rd Ranger Battalion 1984-1986
2/325, 82nd Airborne 1979-1984
F Company, 51st LRSU 1986-1988
5th Special Forces Group 1989-1995
3rd Special Forces Group 1997-1999
RS - DHG 5-85
2/325, 82nd Airborne 1979-1984
F Company, 51st LRSU 1986-1988
5th Special Forces Group 1989-1995
3rd Special Forces Group 1997-1999
RS - DHG 5-85
Re: D-Day and our nation today
sitting in an orbit over an American combat arms unit trying to conduct combat operations in Mosul, I looked over to my SCO in my left seat and said, "we have fielded the most technologically advanced, professional military force the world has ever seen, and there are days that I simply weep for humanity."
he laughed and shook his head.
he laughed and shook his head.
A Co & HHC 3/75 '93-'98.
RS 10-94.
200 meters of green shit next to a river in the desert does not qualify as a "Crescent of Fertility" -me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, one meter wide and two meters long" -Lazarus Long
RS 10-94.
200 meters of green shit next to a river in the desert does not qualify as a "Crescent of Fertility" -me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, one meter wide and two meters long" -Lazarus Long
Re: D-Day and our nation today
I always thought Rommel was the one who was emulated.TC204 wrote:Very true, General Schwarkopfs tactics in Desert Storm were supposedly WW2 Heinz Guderian tactics, and Guderian based a lot of his tactics on Alexander and Genghis Khan.rgrokelley wrote:It all depends on the enemy. Desert Storm was basically a WWII tactic. It resembled, very closely, the invasion of Poland. It also took just about as long as that Blitzkrieg.TC204 wrote:Tactics like the WW2 style invasions are as obsolete as the march in lock step civil war tactics. So I think it's all a moot point
Back in 1981 all the officers at the top said that airborne operations were a thing of the past and we should get rid of paratrooper units. We would never do another airborne operation.
It all depends on the enemy and the situation
2nd Armored div(FWD)1990-1992
1st Infantry div(Desert Storm)1991
101st Airborne(18th FA Bgde)1992-1994
1st Infantry div(Desert Storm)1991
101st Airborne(18th FA Bgde)1992-1994