All He Can Be In the Army, But Not the NYPD
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All He Can Be In the Army, But Not the NYPD
Should a soldier who served in Afghanistan be able to join the police force? Well, not in New York City, when the soldier in question has a previous gun possession convictions The New York Times looks at a machine gun-wielding active duty soldier who can't apply to the NYPD when he returns home.
Specialist Osvaldo Hernandez is a paratrooper with the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, set to be honorably discharged after his 15-month tour of duty. Regardless of respect in a combat zone, he is disqualified from New York's Finest after undercover cops found an unregistered pistol under his driver's seat in 2003 - a Class D felony.
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Specialist Osvaldo Hernandez is a paratrooper with the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, set to be honorably discharged after his 15-month tour of duty. Regardless of respect in a combat zone, he is disqualified from New York's Finest after undercover cops found an unregistered pistol under his driver's seat in 2003 - a Class D felony.
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Just beacause someone has served doesn't make them a beacon of morality and quality, lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking, this guy could be one of them, or not, I just never agreed with random service member being granted hero status just because they are overseas. I am wondering along with GoldCoast if there is more to the story?
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Is this a question for me?Tenn-RGR wrote:What percentage would you say?Silverback wrote:WOW...that's a very strong statement.madslashers1-2 wrote:lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking,
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Tenn-RGR wrote:What percentage would you say?Silverback wrote:WOW...that's a very strong statement.madslashers1-2 wrote:lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking,
I'm not trying to piss in the punchbowl here, buts lets say there were 40 members of 1st Plt C Co., now four of them were involved with the bank robbery, so we are at 10% there, now thats just in the regiment. I'm not trying to say that serving isn't noble or that what we did and others still do isn't noble, I'm just saying that many people join just because they have no fucking clue on what else to do, it wasn't out of some desire to serve or defend that motivates some people, granted the credit goes to the man in the arena, but not everybody in uniform is that man in the arena, this soldier in question could be your normal run of the mill squad shitbag, the one on KP whom the squad leaders try to get bumbed from missions, but since he is in Iraq and is part of the 82nd Airborne he is considered instantly worthy. Think back, everyone here has met someone that was riding the coattails of other great servicemembers.
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Hernandez is not the 1st individual ever to get a reprieve from a Felony by being given the chance to join the military. That one act kept him from going to jail & that was his gift from the City of NY. The fact he was turned down because of his conviction is a fact of life - too bad for Hernandez but to the rest of us (I'm part of the populace), I want our Police with a clean record. If Hernandez had a expensive good lawyer he could have probably had the charge reduced to a lesser charge.
I remember a few years ago Harry Conick, Jr was arrested for carrying a weapon in his carry-on luggage boarding a plane @ JFK Airport. He was arrested that night but I am willing to bet he never got a felony conviction for two or more reasons, One - he had loads of money so he could afford hiring the best lawyers. Two - Him being famous gets him a break. Thrid - I do not recall ever hearing any follow-up on Harry Conick, Jr. or that he was given a Felony Conviction. Any fourth - I know Harry Conick, Jr. did not go into the military.
But back to Hernandez, a law is a law and no getting around that. Hernandez could always check across this country and see what locales might hire him, NY is not the only Police Dept in the country. I'd be willing to bet that most PD's also would not hire him. He might have better luck in a small community that has a Sherrif appoint Deputies.
I remember a few years ago Harry Conick, Jr was arrested for carrying a weapon in his carry-on luggage boarding a plane @ JFK Airport. He was arrested that night but I am willing to bet he never got a felony conviction for two or more reasons, One - he had loads of money so he could afford hiring the best lawyers. Two - Him being famous gets him a break. Thrid - I do not recall ever hearing any follow-up on Harry Conick, Jr. or that he was given a Felony Conviction. Any fourth - I know Harry Conick, Jr. did not go into the military.
But back to Hernandez, a law is a law and no getting around that. Hernandez could always check across this country and see what locales might hire him, NY is not the only Police Dept in the country. I'd be willing to bet that most PD's also would not hire him. He might have better luck in a small community that has a Sherrif appoint Deputies.
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This I agree with.madslashers1-2 wrote:Just beacause someone has served doesn't make them a beacon of morality and quality,
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“Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.”
George S. Patton
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LRSLC Class 5-87
U.S. Army 1980-1984 and 1987-1990
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“Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.”
George S. Patton