All He Can Be In the Army, But Not the NYPD

Chiron · Post by **Chiron** » January 7th, 2008, 8:34 am

Should a soldier who served in Afghanistan be able to join the police force? Well, not in New York City, when the soldier in question has a previous gun possession convictions The New York Times looks at a machine gun-wielding active duty soldier who can't apply to the NYPD when he returns home.

Specialist Osvaldo Hernandez is a paratrooper with the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, set to be honorably discharged after his 15-month tour of duty. Regardless of respect in a combat zone, he is disqualified from New York's Finest after undercover cops found an unregistered pistol under his driver's seat in 2003 - a Class D felony.

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ANGRYCivilian · Post by **ANGRYCivilian** » January 7th, 2008, 9:31 am

He should stay in.

ma91c1an · Post by **ma91c1an** » January 7th, 2008, 10:00 am

It is a mistake for this soldier to get out of the Army.

He should stay in.

RGR_Dan · Post by **RGR_Dan** » January 7th, 2008, 10:08 am

It is what it is......This why we have standards.

BadMuther · Post by **BadMuther** » January 7th, 2008, 10:46 am

RGR_Dan wrote:It is what it is......This why we have standards.

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Silverback · Post by **Silverback** » January 7th, 2008, 1:33 pm

His service has nothing to do with his Felony conviction. He is being denied service based on his conviction, his service in Afghanistant is a tertiary matter.

GoldCoast · Post by **GoldCoast** » January 7th, 2008, 2:36 pm

Unregistered pistol...? Jail time? Is there more to this story than what meets the eye?

On a personal note, I think all pistols should be unregistered.

madslashers1-2 · Post by **madslashers1-2** » January 7th, 2008, 2:41 pm

Just beacause someone has served doesn't make them a beacon of morality and quality, lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking, this guy could be one of them, or not, I just never agreed with random service member being granted hero status just because they are overseas. I am wondering along with GoldCoast if there is more to the story?

Silverback · Post by **Silverback** » January 7th, 2008, 3:27 pm

madslashers1-2 wrote:lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking,

WOW...that's a very strong statement.

BadMuther · Post by **BadMuther** » January 7th, 2008, 4:07 pm

GoldCoast wrote:Unregistered pistol...? Jail time? Is there more to this story than what meets the eye?

On a personal note, I think all pistols should be unregistered.

New York...need I say more.

Tirehouse · Post by **Tirehouse** » January 7th, 2008, 4:27 pm

BadMuther wrote:
GoldCoast wrote:Unregistered pistol...? Jail time? Is there more to this story than what meets the eye?

On a personal note, I think all pistols should be unregistered.
New York...need I say more.

Or Missouri......

Silverback · Post by **Silverback** » January 7th, 2008, 4:55 pm

Tenn-RGR wrote:
Silverback wrote:
madslashers1-2 wrote:lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking,
WOW...that's a very strong statement.
What percentage would you say?

Is this a question for me?

madslashers1-2 · Post by **madslashers1-2** » January 7th, 2008, 5:24 pm

Tenn-RGR wrote:
Silverback wrote:
madslashers1-2 wrote:lets face that a good percentage of the US military is made up of losers, whether morally or intellectually speaking,
WOW...that's a very strong statement.
What percentage would you say?

I'm not trying to piss in the punchbowl here, buts lets say there were 40 members of 1st Plt C Co., now four of them were involved with the bank robbery, so we are at 10% there, now thats just in the regiment. I'm not trying to say that serving isn't noble or that what we did and others still do isn't noble, I'm just saying that many people join just because they have no fucking clue on what else to do, it wasn't out of some desire to serve or defend that motivates some people, granted the credit goes to the man in the arena, but not everybody in uniform is that man in the arena, this soldier in question could be your normal run of the mill squad shitbag, the one on KP whom the squad leaders try to get bumbed from missions, but since he is in Iraq and is part of the 82nd Airborne he is considered instantly worthy. Think back, everyone here has met someone that was riding the coattails of other great servicemembers.

Steadfast · Post by **Steadfast** » January 7th, 2008, 7:43 pm

Hernandez is not the 1st individual ever to get a reprieve from a Felony by being given the chance to join the military. That one act kept him from going to jail & that was his gift from the City of NY. The fact he was turned down because of his conviction is a fact of life - too bad for Hernandez but to the rest of us (I'm part of the populace), I want our Police with a clean record. If Hernandez had a expensive good lawyer he could have probably had the charge reduced to a lesser charge.

I remember a few years ago Harry Conick, Jr was arrested for carrying a weapon in his carry-on luggage boarding a plane @ JFK Airport. He was arrested that night but I am willing to bet he never got a felony conviction for two or more reasons, One - he had loads of money so he could afford hiring the best lawyers. Two - Him being famous gets him a break. Thrid - I do not recall ever hearing any follow-up on Harry Conick, Jr. or that he was given a Felony Conviction. Any fourth - I know Harry Conick, Jr. did not go into the military.

But back to Hernandez, a law is a law and no getting around that. Hernandez could always check across this country and see what locales might hire him, NY is not the only Police Dept in the country. I'd be willing to bet that most PD's also would not hire him. He might have better luck in a small community that has a Sherrif appoint Deputies.

Chiron · Post by **Chiron** » January 8th, 2008, 1:26 am

madslashers1-2 wrote:Just beacause someone has served doesn't make them a beacon of morality and quality,

This I agree with.

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