Advice Hillary Doesn’t Want to Hear (OP/ED)

[Silverback]

Presumably, Sen. Hillary Clinton is open to all kinds of useful advice, but here’s some she probably doesn’t want to hear: Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter suggests she just quit the presidential race now. “If Hillary Clinton wanted a graceful exit, she’d drop out now—before the March 4 Texas and Ohio primaries—and endorse Barack Obama.â€

[Bugsy]

It's interesting that in politics "saving face" amounts to quitting, and fighting until the very end is characterized as something to be embarrassed about.

I'm no Hillary fan by any means but I'd like to think that if she thought she had the balls to become the first elected female president, that she at least prove it by fighting for the right to be the party nominee in a close race to the finish.

As far as Ralph Nader goes, he's a joke nobody will take him seriously not even liberals. If I recall correctly when he ran the last time he had difficulty in just being legally placed on the ballot in most states.

He's milked his "voice of the people" bullshit for all he could get, but the tit has done run dry this time bud.

[Silverback]

It's interesting that in politics "saving face" amounts to quitting, and fighting until the very end is characterized as something to be embarrassed about.

I'm no Hillary fan by any means but I'd like to think that if she thought she had the balls to become the first elected female president, that she at least prove it by fighting for the right to be the party nominee in a close race to the finish.

As far as Ralph Nader goes, he's a joke nobody will take him seriously not even liberals. If I recall correctly when he ran the last time he had difficulty in just being legally placed on the ballot in most states.

He's milked his "voice of the people" bullshit for all he could get, but the tit has done run dry this time bud.

Ther is some concern that Ralph will garner the attention of the Non-radical Democrats.

[Chiron]

It's interesting that in politics "saving face" amounts to quitting, and fighting until the very end is characterized as something to be embarrassed about.

I'm no Hillary fan by any means but I'd like to think that if she thought she had the balls to become the first elected female president, that she at least prove it by fighting for the right to be the party nominee in a close race to the finish.

As far as Ralph Nader goes, he's a joke nobody will take him seriously not even liberals. If I recall correctly when he ran the last time he had difficulty in just being legally placed on the ballot in most states.

He's milked his "voice of the people" bullshit for all he could get, but the tit has done run dry this time bud.

Ther is some concern that Ralph will garner the attention of the Non-radical Democrats.

I think Ralph received something like 0.03% last time or was it 0.30% but in any case he was a non-issue last time.

The thing that scares me is what happens the day after the elections?

Either way the geopolitical stance of the region between the Balkans and the north east Iraq is not stable. The economy is in turmoil. The people at least where I live don't know if there is a future or will they be going to war eventually. It seems that the EU save for three countries has sold out. The Russians and the Chinese are looking at taking the step to support the Eastern Orthodox in the Balkans. But you never know.

Obama.... No experience
Hillary.... Doesn't care
McCain.... ? Don't know which way he'll turn

So for these folks here it's not looking good.

To many questions and don't know the objectives....

[Jim]

Obama.... No experience
Hillary.... Doesn't care
McCain.... ? Don't know which way he'll turn

America deserves better.

[Horned Toad]

I am sort of hoping shrillary fights till the end and pulls a bunch of string to will the delegates even though obama get the popular vote.

I would love to see that bunch of idiots fracture and fight among themselves

[BadMuther]

I am sort of hoping shrillary fights till the end and pulls a bunch of string to will the delegates even though obama get the popular vote.

I would love to see that bunch of idiots fracture and fight among themselves

It's only positive for us when she shows her true colors.....

[Ranger Bill]

Obama.... No experience
Hillary.... Doesn't care
McCain.... ? Don't know which way he'll turn

America deserves better.

I'm not sure, Jim... Maybe we are getting exactly what we deserve.

I am shooting from memory of history class here and maybe my memory isn't the best... But when the country was founded, the only national offices elected directly by the people were the House of Representatives. Senators were selected by the State Legislatures until around 1920. There were no presidential primaries unitl recently. The parties decided however they wanted who was running for office. And in the general election in November, no presidential candidate's name appeard on any ballot. On the ballot, voters voted for the names of electors who would then become members of the electoral college and they selected the president. (Technically they still do, but their names are not on the ballot, the cadidates' names are and the electors must vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in their districts - before they could vote any way they felt best and it was done by secret ballot.) The bottom line is that the Founding Fathers felt that direct election of the president for four years and senators for six whould not be in the hands of the general population. Only the house was and those terms were limited to two years.

Fast forward to today, and anybody can vote, and more than once if they want - even illegal aliens, those who can not read and write, and including those who know who the winner on American Idol is but don't know the name of the president or their senators. Candidates must appeal to the lowest common denominator to get elected. Everything is decided by a "popular vote." That makes every election a "popularity contest," much like choosing the high school prom king and queen. Our founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves. They did not go for direct election of presidents and senators becasue they new it would not work and would reslut in exactly what we get now for candidates. The U.S. was never envisioned as a democracy, fickle to the whims of "popularity." It was created as a republic in which state legistaures selected senators and the electoral college actually selected the president.

[Chiron]

Obama.... No experience
Hillary.... Doesn't care
McCain.... ? Don't know which way he'll turn

America deserves better.

Jim,

It's important that I point out my issues are with foreign policy. If any of the above will do for the U.S. in country that’s another story. But will they take care of they world like the Presidents did a long time ago?

The closest thing is McCain.

[Ranger Ron]

Obama.... No experience
Hillary.... Doesn't care
McCain.... ? Don't know which way he'll turn

America deserves better.

I'm not sure, Jim... Maybe we are getting exactly what we deserve.

I am shooting from memory of history class here and maybe my memory isn't the best... But when the country was founded, the only national offices elected directly by the people were the House of Representatives. Senators were selected by the State Legislatures until around 1920. There were no presidential primaries unitl recently. The parties decided however they wanted who was running for office. And in the general election in November, no presidential candidate's name appeard on any ballot. On the ballot, voters voted for the names of electors who would then become members of the electoral college and they selected the president. (Technically they still do, but their names are not on the ballot, the cadidates' names are and the electors must vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in their districts - before they could vote any way they felt best and it was done by secret ballot.) The bottom line is that the Founding Fathers felt that direct election of the president for four years and senators for six whould not be in the hands of the general population. Only the house was and those terms were limited to two years.

Fast forward to today, and anybody can vote, and more than once if they want - even illegal aliens, those who can not read and write, and including those who know who the winner on American Idol is but don't know the name of the president or their senators. Candidates must appeal to the lowest common denominator to get elected. Everything is decided by a "popular vote." That makes every election a "popularity contest," much like choosing the high school prom king and queen. Our founding Fathers would be turning over in their graves. They did not go for direct election of presidents and senators becasue they new it would not work and would reslut in exactly what we get now for candidates. The U.S. was never envisioned as a democracy, fickle to the whims of "popularity." It was created as a republic in which state legistaures selected senators and the electoral college actually selected the president.

You beat me to it Bill! (And did I much better job I might add.)