gsgitu wrote:8. I pay your salary!
I love the George Carlin bit "Hey, Don't I pay your salary? Your a public servant. Get me a glass of water!"
You get me a raise and I'll get you a glass of water!!!
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gsgitu wrote:8. I pay your salary!
I love the George Carlin bit "Hey, Don't I pay your salary? Your a public servant. Get me a glass of water!"
Wrong! I teach them what the government, whether it is law enforcement, military, civilian or otherwise, can and cannot do according to the laws of the United States. We are a nation of laws, no men. This is what is right and what is wrong.RANGER513 wrote:rgrokelley wrote:
I ask these things because I teach the Constitution to High School students. I like to know what is allowed and what is not allowed.
WOW !!!!
How about ya try this: Instead of teaching our Nation's future what law enforcement CAN do and CANNOT do, how about ya teach them what is right and what is wrong !!!!!! And maybe, perhaps, that law enforcement should be respected, not telling a law enforcement officer " You can't do that " becuase my high school teacher said the Constituation says you can't.
Just an suggestion.
The cops are always right. The cops are always right. Fuck the Constitution. Fuck the law. The cops are the law.RANGER513 wrote:Well good on ya, then ! Teach them that they don't have to do anything we say or ask, and to ALWAYS question us when we tell them do so something..........
Makes our work MUCH more fun when idiots do that !!!!!
Appreciate it. You're a good man. :Dcams wrote:I once had the priviledge of locking up one of the Kennedy's on one of their classic, family tirades, right in front of the Massachusetts State House to boot at lunch time. (Must've been an early day on the boat drinking)
I was called every name in the book, then told "go fuck yourself I'm not getting out of the car I'm calling my attorney".
I kindly advised them that they were now under arrest for "failure to submit while operating a MV". I executed a perfectly timed wristlock as they reached for the phone on the seat, removing said party from the vehicle, whereon I was spat upon, took a glancing blow to my noggin and then kicked repeatedly in my legs.
My patience was wearing down, so I broke out the old "Karate-in-a-can" (Pepper spray) utilizing short 1 second bursts' of course as we are taught ( sorry I can't even say that with a straight face. Alright fuck it, I emptied half the can on them).
But then I was forced to execute what you would call a classic belly to back suplex from WWF onto the sidewalk (only to keep this now blinded and extremely combative suspect from running into traffic and getting hurt of course).
The recipient, who I cannot name by name here due to policy and privacy regs, was the winner of a new set of silver bracelets.
After being picked up by 3 cops off the sidewalk and gently tossed into the back of one of our nastiest, stinkiest, most pissed-in, bled-in, rotten "DK" Paddy-Wagons, this fine Kennedy family member was brought to "our house" for booking and a photography session, courtesy of The Commonwealth.
Go back and read what I've written. In case you forgot, in your paranoia to feel like everyone is anti-cop, I am the one who wanted to clarify what exactly the police can do in a situation, so that I could tell the students what the cops are allowed to do.RANGER513 wrote:Well good on ya, then ! Teach them that they don't have to do anything we say or ask, and to ALWAYS question us when we tell them do so something..........
Makes our work MUCH more fun when idiots do that !!!!!
rgrokelley wrote:Go back and read what I've written. In case you forgot, in your paranoia to feel like everyone is anti-cop, I am the one who wanted to clarify what exactly the police can do in a situation, so that I could tell the students what the cops are allowed to do.RANGER513 wrote:Well good on ya, then ! Teach them that they don't have to do anything we say or ask, and to ALWAYS question us when we tell them do so something..........
Makes our work MUCH more fun when idiots do that !!!!!
At what point did I ever say that I was going to teach them that they don't have to do anything the police say? I must have missed that, but if you could, please repost it for me here.
Amazingly, I consistently hear folks whine that the kids these days aren't taught history, or aren't taught the Constitution. Well in my class they are taught this, in excruciating detail. When they finish the course they understand what exactly the rights, privileges and responsibilities of citizenship entails. They also learn of men who have stood up for what is right, while those who have usurped power wished that they would be more ignorant, so that they could be easier to manipulate.
However, it seems that you wish to consider an educated citizenry to be "idiots". I guess you also must be of the opinion that there could never be a bad cop, or a bad judge, who uses his power, unjustly and against the laws of the state or of the country, to gain some personal advantage.
Look at your comments. Now consider what Jefferson, Franklin, or any of those who created this country would say to your idea of blind obedience.
Hell, don't even go back 225 years. What would Randy Weaver say?
You're welcome Ma'am, but believe me, it was my pleasure to show one of the Royal Family around the booking room while their face was painted orange from the OC Spray.Boudicca wrote:Appreciate it. You're a good man. :Dcams wrote:I once had the priviledge of locking up one of the Kennedy's on one of their classic, family tirades, right in front of the Massachusetts State House to boot at lunch time. (Must've been an early day on the boat drinking)
I was called every name in the book, then told "go fuck yourself I'm not getting out of the car I'm calling my attorney".
I kindly advised them that they were now under arrest for "failure to submit while operating a MV". I executed a perfectly timed wristlock as they reached for the phone on the seat, removing said party from the vehicle, whereon I was spat upon, took a glancing blow to my noggin and then kicked repeatedly in my legs.
My patience was wearing down, so I broke out the old "Karate-in-a-can" (Pepper spray) utilizing short 1 second bursts' of course as we are taught ( sorry I can't even say that with a straight face. Alright fuck it, I emptied half the can on them).
But then I was forced to execute what you would call a classic belly to back suplex from WWF onto the sidewalk (only to keep this now blinded and extremely combative suspect from running into traffic and getting hurt of course).
The recipient, who I cannot name by name here due to policy and privacy regs, was the winner of a new set of silver bracelets.
After being picked up by 3 cops off the sidewalk and gently tossed into the back of one of our nastiest, stinkiest, most pissed-in, bled-in, rotten "DK" Paddy-Wagons, this fine Kennedy family member was brought to "our house" for booking and a photography session, courtesy of The Commonwealth.
I would pay soem serious coin to have a video of this. I imagine the PD in Palm Beach would have handled the situation differently. Likely to involve chapstick.cams wrote:You're welcome Ma'am, but believe me, it was my pleasure to show one of the Royal Family around the booking room while their face was painted orange from the OC Spray.Boudicca wrote:Appreciate it. You're a good man. :Dcams wrote:I once had the priviledge of locking up one of the Kennedy's on one of their classic, family tirades, right in front of the Massachusetts State House to boot at lunch time. (Must've been an early day on the boat drinking)
I was called every name in the book, then told "go fuck yourself I'm not getting out of the car I'm calling my attorney".
I kindly advised them that they were now under arrest for "failure to submit while operating a MV". I executed a perfectly timed wristlock as they reached for the phone on the seat, removing said party from the vehicle, whereon I was spat upon, took a glancing blow to my noggin and then kicked repeatedly in my legs.
My patience was wearing down, so I broke out the old "Karate-in-a-can" (Pepper spray) utilizing short 1 second bursts' of course as we are taught ( sorry I can't even say that with a straight face. Alright fuck it, I emptied half the can on them).
But then I was forced to execute what you would call a classic belly to back suplex from WWF onto the sidewalk (only to keep this now blinded and extremely combative suspect from running into traffic and getting hurt of course).
The recipient, who I cannot name by name here due to policy and privacy regs, was the winner of a new set of silver bracelets.
After being picked up by 3 cops off the sidewalk and gently tossed into the back of one of our nastiest, stinkiest, most pissed-in, bled-in, rotten "DK" Paddy-Wagons, this fine Kennedy family member was brought to "our house" for booking and a photography session, courtesy of The Commonwealth.
Of course it ended as we'd all suspect, never went to court, and all charges were dropped by the ADA. Ahhh the wheels of justice.
Fuck it though, you can't take this job personally, it's kind of like being an Admin here.
Let me lend some clarification to this widely spread notion. Fact of the matter is if you live in a large, metropolitan area, with a high crime rate, making it through a red light, illegal lane changes, excessive speed amongst other things have the odds in your favor you'll more than likely get away with it and against being stopped.panthersix wrote:when it comes to behavior in transportation/traffic, any changes needed for safety or to increase capacity involve not only engineering, but also:
Education
Encouragement
Enforcement
But we all know that unless traffic enforcement is a revenue generator in a jurisdiction with low crime rates, then the cops are busy elsewhere. But you can't "out-engineer" stupid.....
gsgitu wrote:8. I pay your salary!
I love the George Carlin bit "Hey, Don't I pay your salary? Your a public servant. Get me a glass of water!"
This is the truth. As a Motor Cop for 10 yrs, I would sit at the lights and when they would turn green for me, I'd wait for the next three cars to run their redlight before I'd attempt to get thru the intersection. If I went immediately on green, I'da been roadkill long ago. And this is common knowledge for most city dwellars, which is why there's not that many accidents.CenterMass wrote:
Let me lend some clarification to this widely spread notion. Fact of the matter is if you live in a large, metropolitan area, with a high crime rate, making it through a red light, illegal lane changes, excessive speed amongst other things have the odds in your favor you'll more than likely get away with it and against being stopped.
Now, migrate you and you conveyance to a smaller town, with 1 stoplight and hardly any crime at all and try the same thing. What do you think is going to happen if it's a slow night, and 4 officers are on duty? Ever notice or remember the same when it came to MP's on Post? Don't speed or do anything stupid or they're guaranteed to write you up? Same applies.