Vote on the bomb

[bamafan6603]

Roger on the pushing, Ranger panthersix.

[rgrokelley]

I'm not surprised at that article about what young people think of the dropping of the atomic bombs. What they're taught in school is not favorable toward Truman's decision to end the war quickly with as little loss of American (and Japanese) lives as possible. I have nieces (now in their 30's and 40's) that never were taught about Hitler in public school. All part of how we're supposed to feel guilty. Bullshit!

Most likely, I would not be here today if we had not dropped both bombs. My father was in the Phillipines and, as mentioned earlier, the defense of the Japanese mainland would have been like nothing anyone had ever seen before and would have resulted in many lost lives. After the war, my father was part of the Army of Occupation of Japan and I have his scrapbook with many pictures of the Phillipines and Japan, including Hiroshima. Yep, it was devastating and terrible. And, yep, we were 100% correct in using it.

Some of us have infiltrated into the public education system. My class on WWII covered the subject pretty extensively. The reasons for using the bomb was covered over a period of three days. Dropping both bombs was extremely personal for me. My wife's father was a Marine in WWII. Her uncle was killed on the Siegfried line in 1945. This is pretty amazing since my wife is barely over 40. Her father was on a ship to Okinawa when the bombs were dropped. For those who don't know the significance of that, this was one of the staging bases for Operation Olympic, the invasion of Japan. He would have been in the first wave. The first wave was not meant to have many survivors. So, he most likely would have died.

Without him, my wife would not have been born, 23 years later. Without her my three daughters would not be alive now.



So I take it personal. If anyone says we shouldn’t have dropped the bomb, it means to me that my daughters should not be living now.

[Silverback]

I'm not surprised at that article about what young people think of the dropping of the atomic bombs. What they're taught in school is not favorable toward Truman's decision to end the war quickly with as little loss of American (and Japanese) lives as possible. I have nieces (now in their 30's and 40's) that never were taught about Hitler in public school. All part of how we're supposed to feel guilty. Bullshit!

Most likely, I would not be here today if we had not dropped both bombs. My father was in the Phillipines and, as mentioned earlier, the defense of the Japanese mainland would have been like nothing anyone had ever seen before and would have resulted in many lost lives. After the war, my father was part of the Army of Occupation of Japan and I have his scrapbook with many pictures of the Phillipines and Japan, including Hiroshima. Yep, it was devastating and terrible. And, yep, we were 100% correct in using it.

Some of us have infiltrated into the public education system. My class on WWII covered the subject pretty extensively. The reasons for using the bomb was covered over a period of three days. Dropping both bombs was extremely personal for me. My wife's father was a Marine in WWII. Her uncle was killed on the Siegfried line in 1945. This is pretty amazing since my wife is barely over 40. Her father was on a ship to Okinawa when the bombs were dropped. For those who don't know the significance of that, this was one of the staging bases for Operation Olympic, the invasion of Japan. He would have been in the first wave. The first wave was not meant to have many survivors. So, he most likely would have died.

Without him, my wife would not have been born, 23 years later. Without her my three daughters would not be alive now.



So I take it personal. If anyone says we shouldn’t have dropped the bomb, it means to me that my daughters should not be living now.

But dropping the bombs was mean and lots of innocent people :::trying to suppress giggles:::....And like you know, like the innocent people :::must not laugh::: were like innocent...you know?

[Looon]

The populace of any country that sits by and watches their government commit atrocities on another people, deserve part of the blame.

In the German high command, some of them knew what they were doing was wrong. They attempted to put an end to it by assasinating Hitler. They had an obligation to their country, their men, and the rest of the world to make the attempt even though it failed.

Were there innocent's killed in those bombings? Yep. But was the population, as a whole, innocent? Nope.

[Looon]

There's a saying that goes something like this: "Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

In this case: Those that live in paper houses shouldn't start a world war......

At the end of the day, the Axis killed 10's of millions of innocent people in their quest for world domination. We knowingly killed hundreds of thousands.

At the end of the day, we accomplished more by killing less.

[rgrokelley]

Yeah! fuck them Japanese. They deserved what they got. We shoulda kept firebombing them even after the nukes!

Actually we did. We had four atomic bombs. We blew one at Trinity to see if it would work. We then told the Japanese we were going to drop a super bomb on their cities. We then dropped leaflets on the target cities telling them we were going to do it. We told the Japanese that if they surrendered, we wouldn't use these weapons. The Japanese refused.

Hiroshima went off killing 140,000 people and disintegrating four square miles. We told the Japanese to surrender. They refused.

Three days later Kokura was targeted, but cloud cover saved that city. The bomb exploded over the secondary target, Nagasaki, killing 80,000. We told the Japanese to surrender. They refused.

We now had one bomb left, and it wasn't set up for use. Five days later we firebombed 8 Japanese cities, dropping 6,000 tons of bombs and killing more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We told Japan to surrender. In the Japanese parliament there were many who did not want to surrender. The civilian government was worried about the people rising up to end the war. The military threatened to put the whole country under strict martial law. The emperor worried about a military coup, where he would lose what power remained. Only due to this loss of power did Hirohito react and said he would surrender.

Here is an excellent video, explaining all of this better than I can:

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_/ ... ombs/1808/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[K.Ingraham]

Yeah! fuck them Japanese. They deserved what they got. We shoulda kept firebombing them even after the nukes!

Actually we did. We had four atomic bombs. We blew one at Trinity to see if it would work. We then told the Japanese we were going to drop a super bomb on their cities. We then dropped leaflets on the target cities telling them we were going to do it. We told the Japanese that if they surrendered, we wouldn't use these weapons. The Japanese refused.

Hiroshima went off killing 140,000 people and disintegrating four square miles. We told the Japanese to surrender. They refused.

Three days later Kokura was targeted, but cloud cover saved that city. The bomb exploded over the secondary target, Nagasaki, killing 80,000. We told the Japanese to surrender. They refused.

We now had one bomb left, and it wasn't set up for use. Five days later we firebombed 8 Japanese cities, dropping 6,000 tons of bombs and killing more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We told Japan to surrender. In the Japanese parliament there were many who did not want to surrender. The civilian government was worried about the people rising up to end the war. The military threatened to put the whole country under strict martial law. The emperor worried about a military coup, where he would lose what power remained. Only due to this loss of power did Hirohito react and said he would surrender.

Here is an excellent video, explaining all of this better than I can:

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_/ ... ombs/1808/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There was also the not-so-small issue of the Soviet army blitzing that enormous portion of the Jap army that had not yet become engaged in the war and the Soviet invason of northern Japan tipping the scales.
There is no actual evidence that we dropped the bombs to influence the Soviets, but the Soviets sure had a direct influence in the Jap decision to quit while they felt they were ahead.

[Jim]

There was also the not-so-small issue of the Soviet army blitzing that enormous portion of the Jap army that had not yet become engaged in the war and the Soviet invason of northern Japan tipping the scales. There is no actual evidence that we dropped the bombs to influence the Soviets, but the Soviets sure had a direct influence in the Jap decision to quit while they felt they were ahead.

To this day, the Russians still occupy a number of the Northern islands of Japan.

BTW, the video is superb!