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Who were the greatest military leaders?
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Geronimo
Sitting Bull
Chief Joseph
Crazy Horse
Cochise
TECUMSEH
Just to name a few.
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Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
Two of my favorite characters in history are Truman and MacArthur, who clearly butted heads on major issues. MacArthur's bravery in combat is well documented as he was the most decorated soldier in World War I, and many stories abound about his flair and courage. Although he antagonized many of his peers & FOGs, he was single handedly responsible for modernizing the Academy to produce better officers to lead the country in modern times. During the Great Depression he forewarned about facism. MacArthur may have made his greatest contribution to history in the next five and a half years, as Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers in Japan. By force of his personality, he shaped the rebuild of Japan. Although the able leadership of General Matthew B. Ridgway stabilized the military situation near the prewar boundary at the 38th parallel, MacArthur earlier reversed the dire military situation in Korea with a brilliant amphibious assault behind North Korean lines at the Port of Inchon. The bickering with Truman culminated in his being relieved over his convctions in opposition to Truman.K.Ingraham wrote:One of the greatest phony self-seeking imitations of a good leader there ever was.garyedolan wrote:General of the Army Douglas MacArthur
His rep as a good leader is unsupported by evidence!
Outstanding leader from his era, and one who stands up to any scrutiny is one of our greatest generals and one of the least known is Mathew Ridgeway.
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Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
Moses = Convictions and Intestinal Fortitude
Sun Tzu = Concepts, Tactics and Teachings
Genghis Khan = Efficiency and "Post" conquer ideology
Scipio Africanus = Concepts and Tactics
Hannibal = Concepts
Robert Rogers = Concepts and Tactics
Francis Marion = Concepts and Tactics
Leander H. McNelly = Concepts, Intelligence and Command Presence
Orde Charles Wingate = Convictions and Concepts
Robert Tryon Frederick = Convictions and Tactics
Omar Nelson Bradley = Teachings, Professionalism and Command Presence
Problem is depending on the Standing army use of strategy.........What commander do you want? What are you facing? Personal favorite will be chosen upon learning of what type of "WAR" I would be engaging.
It would always boil down to a blend of Sun Tzu, Scipio Aricanus, Genghis Khan, Leander McNelly, Omar Bradley.
Just my Opinion
But Opinions are like assholes.............strain hard enough and you get a hung jumper called "Hemorrhoid".
Sun Tzu = Concepts, Tactics and Teachings
Genghis Khan = Efficiency and "Post" conquer ideology
Scipio Africanus = Concepts and Tactics
Hannibal = Concepts
Robert Rogers = Concepts and Tactics
Francis Marion = Concepts and Tactics
Leander H. McNelly = Concepts, Intelligence and Command Presence
Orde Charles Wingate = Convictions and Concepts
Robert Tryon Frederick = Convictions and Tactics
Omar Nelson Bradley = Teachings, Professionalism and Command Presence
Problem is depending on the Standing army use of strategy.........What commander do you want? What are you facing? Personal favorite will be chosen upon learning of what type of "WAR" I would be engaging.
It would always boil down to a blend of Sun Tzu, Scipio Aricanus, Genghis Khan, Leander McNelly, Omar Bradley.
Just my Opinion
But Opinions are like assholes.............strain hard enough and you get a hung jumper called "Hemorrhoid".
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"When injustice becomes Law, resistance becomes duty"
Thomas Jefferson
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
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Thomas Jefferson
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
- Norm Franz
Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
I agree, Ranger Caruthers. You are one or two stages ahead of me. :D Right now we are casting a wide net - every major battle, every major tactical method, every great leader, weapons, etc. Without regard to anything, except that we capture all pertinent info. This stage of info gathering gets overwhelming, fast. But, I am fortunate enough to have some excellent historians and specifically war historians on this. I am using your guidance to 'point' them to information that you and others feel is important. Then we will let it "fall" into categories... this is where the "type" of war will come into play. We are a looong way from elegance. Many months, if not years. But, we rush it now, and we will have crap to work with later.Caruthers wrote: Problem is depending on the Standing army use of strategy.........What commander do you want? What are you facing? Personal favorite will be chosen upon learning of what type of "WAR" I would be engaging.
It would always boil down to a blend of Sun Tzu, Scipio Aricanus, Genghis Khan, Leander McNelly, Omar Bradley.
Thank you!
DrD
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Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
All;
From another source, I got this military leader: Adolf Hitler. This person's opinion was that although he was reprehensible, he was an extremely good military leader.
What do you think? Should he be included, or not?
Thank you!
DrD
From another source, I got this military leader: Adolf Hitler. This person's opinion was that although he was reprehensible, he was an extremely good military leader.
What do you think? Should he be included, or not?
Thank you!
DrD
~Black Raven~
Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
DrD wrote:I agree, Ranger Caruthers. You are one or two stages ahead of me. :D Right now we are casting a wide net - every major battle, every major tactical method, every great leader, weapons, etc. Without regard to anything, except that we capture all pertinent info. This stage of info gathering gets overwhelming, fast. But, I am fortunate enough to have some excellent historians and specifically war historians on this. I am using your guidance to 'point' them to information that you and others feel is important. Then we will let it "fall" into categories... this is where the "type" of war will come into play. We are a looong way from elegance. Many months, if not years. But, we rush it now, and we will have crap to work with later.Caruthers wrote: Problem is depending on the Standing army use of strategy.........What commander do you want? What are you facing? Personal favorite will be chosen upon learning of what type of "WAR" I would be engaging.
It would always boil down to a blend of Sun Tzu, Scipio Aricanus, Genghis Khan, Leander McNelly, Omar Bradley.
Thank you!
DrD
If major battles, tactical method, leader, weapons..............this will include Politicians of the past. Churchill, Roosevelt,Stalin and even Adolf Hitler, Oshima Hiroshi and Benito Mussolini.
The reason I say this, in many cases, with out the "Political" will to make changes in the way things happen, many of our Military leaders would have never surfaced. While back in the day........the Military leader was the politician and there for the "Political" will won.
With that in mind I will hit my books.
Is Joshua in on this?
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"When injustice becomes Law, resistance becomes duty"
Thomas Jefferson
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
- Norm Franz
Thomas Jefferson
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
- Norm Franz
Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
DrD wrote:All;
From another source, I got this military leader: Adolf Hitler. This person's opinion was that although he was reprehensible, he was an extremely good military leader.
What do you think? Should he be included, or not?
Thank you!
DrD
My humble opinion is that Adolf Hitler was a politician..........not a "Great" military leader. He did have some brilliant military leaders in his command. Hitler, lost more battles, do to his direct leadership, and compartmentalization of chain of command, than he ever won.
"When injustice becomes Law, resistance becomes duty"
Thomas Jefferson
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
- Norm Franz
Thomas Jefferson
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
- Norm Franz
Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
Germany would have been very difficult to defeat if at all, but for Hitler's meddling with military actions, policies, and decisions.Caruthers wrote:DrD wrote:All;
From another source, I got this military leader: Adolf Hitler. This person's opinion was that although he was reprehensible, he was an extremely good military leader.
What do you think? Should he be included, or not?
Thank you!
DrD
My humble opinion is that Adolf Hitler was a politician..........not a "Great" military leader. He did have some brilliant military leaders in his command. Hitler, lost more battles, do to his direct leadership, and compartmentalization of chain of command, than he ever won.
but there probably wouldn't have been a WWII without his actions either.
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200 meters of green shit next to a river in the desert does not qualify as a "Crescent of Fertility" -me
"The meek shall inherit the earth, one meter wide and two meters long" -Lazarus Long
Re: Who were the greatest military leaders?
I feel that in the Psychological Operations aspect of war Hitler was great. He was able to convince many people to think and believe what he wanted them to. A war is waged with your mind as well as your weapon.
Just my 2 cents..
Just my 2 cents..
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