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John McCain?

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I am currently a proud supported of John McCain. I strongly agree with most of his political views and feel that due to his military and political experience, that he will be a strong leader... and better than Barack.

I just have one question for all of you who have served or are currently serving. What are your specific views on John McCain's record? Not necessarily his policies or anything... I mean his whole POW/hero deal. I have seen a website titled "Veterans Against John McCain" and others such as that. I am just merely looking for one who's "been there, done that"'s POV on this issue. I, for one, greatly respect what this man did for his country. His denial of early release from his prison camp in Hanoi was truly the act of a brave man. In fact, anyone who has served is deserving of the utmost respect. I am not quite sure I understand why there are some that do not respect his actions... But, there could be something I am missing. Fill me in?
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I am voting for McCain because I think he would be a stronger leader in the world we live in today with terrorism, Afghanistan, Iraq Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and all these other hotspots that dominate the foreign policy scene. I also believe he has the best interest of our country to keep us both strong and moving in the right direction.
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alexleon13 wrote:I am voting for McCain because I think he would be a stronger leader in the world we live in today with terrorism, Afghanistan, Iraq Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and all these other hotspots that dominate the foreign policy scene. I also believe he has the best interest of our country to keep us both strong and moving in the right direction.
I'm voting for McCain because he sucks less than the other ass clown who is running against him.

Pretty terrible reason to pick a president, but this is what you get in the age of "American Idol" politics.

With Obama you are going to get a huge government presence doing everything to assume as much power over your life as possible. With McCain you are going to get a larger government presence doing everything to assume as much power over your life as possible.
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Scout wrote: I am not quite sure I understand why there are some that do not respect his actions... But, there could be something I am missing. Fill me in?
John McCain was shot down and John McCain was taken prisoner. During his time being a prisoner John McCain acted honorably.

How does his honorable conduct as a POW serve as a qualification for the Presidency?

Should American's give John McCain "pay back" because of his personal sacrifice to our Nation's cause?

You have to decide the merit of your decision and subsequent vote, do not seek the acceptance of others to justify your decision.

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rgrokelley wrote:I'm voting for McCain because he sucks less than the other ass clown who is running against him.

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rgrokelley wrote:I'm voting for McCain because he sucks less than the other ass clown who is running against him.

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Silverback wrote:
The secret ballot is the key to this election!
I agree with you on the above, as well as the rest of your post. However, the secret ballot will absolutely determine the outcome of this election, in my opinion.
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Nomad wrote:
Silverback wrote:
The secret ballot is the key to this election!
I agree with you on the above, as well as the rest of your post. However, the secret ballot will absolutely determine the outcome of this election, in my opinion.
I feel as though that when the pollster calls a person he or she doesn't answer honestly, because of the possibility of being labeled a "Racist". I have not understood (since the beginning) why it is OK for African-Americans to support Obama in the mid to high 90 percentile without the "Subject of race" being mentioned, yet it is permissible to bring the subject up when balloting other races.
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Silverback wrote:
Nomad wrote:
Silverback wrote:
The secret ballot is the key to this election!
I agree with you on the above, as well as the rest of your post. However, the secret ballot will absolutely determine the outcome of this election, in my opinion.
I feel as though that when the pollster calls a person he or she doesn't answer honestly, because of the possibility of being labeled a "Racist". I have not understood (since the beginning) why it is OK for African-Americans to support Obama in the mid to high 90 percentile without the "Subject of race" being mentioned, yet it is permissible to bring the subject up when balloting other races.
This is a very touchy area. I think that voters are scared to bring up the subject of race where Obama is concerned because it is more fact than fiction that a number of people (registered dems) will NOT vote for him because of his race. Unfortunately this is the reality and Obama accepts this, IMO. Bring it up, will open old wounds down the race line and ultimately make all involved look bad. I think it's a bitch-move to skirt the issue like it doesn't exist, but i do recognize what will happen when it's brought up. Just look at West Virginia.
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A Zogby Poll released Friday:

Arab Catholics -- including Chaldeans, Malachites and Maronites -- favor McCain, 53-31. Muslim Arab-Americans favor Obama 84-4.
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hit_it wrote:
Silverback wrote:
Nomad wrote: I agree with you on the above, as well as the rest of your post. However, the secret ballot will absolutely determine the outcome of this election, in my opinion.
I feel as though that when the pollster calls a person he or she doesn't answer honestly, because of the possibility of being labeled a "Racist". I have not understood (since the beginning) why it is OK for African-Americans to support Obama in the mid to high 90 percentile without the "Subject of race" being mentioned, yet it is permissible to bring the subject up when balloting other races.
This is a very touchy area. I think that voters are scared to bring up the subject of race where Obama is concerned because it is more fact than fiction that a number of people (registered dems) will NOT vote for him because of his race. Unfortunately this is the reality and Obama accepts this, IMO. Bring it up, will open old wounds down the race line and ultimately make all involved look bad. I think it's a bitch-move to skirt the issue like it doesn't exist, but i do recognize what will happen when it's brought up. Just look at West Virginia.
West Virgina??? Didn't they succeed from the union? I hear you and I understand that it may "open wounds" but I also think it is a worthwhile discussion. I guess there is a reason I am not involved in politics.
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Silverback wrote:
hit_it wrote:
Silverback wrote: I feel as though that when the pollster calls a person he or she doesn't answer honestly, because of the possibility of being labeled a "Racist". I have not understood (since the beginning) why it is OK for African-Americans to support Obama in the mid to high 90 percentile without the "Subject of race" being mentioned, yet it is permissible to bring the subject up when balloting other races.
This is a very touchy area. I think that voters are scared to bring up the subject of race where Obama is concerned because it is more fact than fiction that a number of people (registered dems) will NOT vote for him because of his race. Unfortunately this is the reality and Obama accepts this, IMO. Bring it up, will open old wounds down the race line and ultimately make all involved look bad. I think it's a bitch-move to skirt the issue like it doesn't exist, but i do recognize what will happen when it's brought up. Just look at West Virginia.
West Virgina??? Didn't they succeed from the union? I hear you and I understand that it may "open wounds" but I also think it is a worthwhile discussion. I guess there is a reason I am not involved in politics.
You and me both, brother. Had I been in Obama's shoes I would have addressed this shit in the beginning. I can handle the devil I know, but you know it's always the devil you don't know that sucks you down into hell.

Now, with that said I have no idea what's going to happen but I do know that we have seen a lot of people's true colors in the last 10 months of this election. I can only guess what we'll see in the next month.
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Silverback wrote:
West Virgina??? Didn't they succeed from the union? I hear you and I understand that it may "open wounds" but I also think it is a worthwhile discussion. I guess there is a reason I am not involved in politics.

No they succeeded from Va. to stay in the union.....vastly different.
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Silverback wrote:
Scout wrote: I am not quite sure I understand why there are some that do not respect his actions... But, there could be something I am missing. Fill me in?
John McCain was shot down and John McCain was taken prisoner. During his time being a prisoner John McCain acted honorably.

How does his honorable conduct as a POW serve as a qualification for the Presidency?

Should American's give John McCain "pay back" because of his personal sacrifice to our Nation's cause?

You have to decide the merit of your decision and subsequent vote, do not seek the acceptance of others to justify your decision.
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I am aware of the story of his POW stay and everything... and I know that shouldn't just make him president (I have many different reasons of why I support him that I won't bother stating here because that's not really my point), but more my question was why are there those who do not appreciate what he did for his country. "Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain" is an example of the people I am speaking of. What I am trying to understand is why some people almost don't 'count', so to speak, McCain's service as respectable. I am not looking for others acceptance, just plainly wondering what the logic behind this is.

But it's good to know that men who've actually been there and done that (who should be the real judges) support and respect his actions.
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