Study: Gays Don't Harm Unit Cohesion

[rangertough]

My wife could not understand why I had a problem with gays in the military. After she went through her Coast Guard training I countered with "How would you like to take showers with guys?" She said "I wouldn't". I asked "Why not?" "I don't want some guy looking at my tits wanting to fuck me." "It's OK if it's a chick though?" I say. "Lesbians arn't aggressive about it." No shit like a week later my very lesbian COL decides to get drunk and stare at my wifes cans for a whole dining out. Angie started her conversion (not to lesbianism) to my way of thinking.

I have a systemic hatred of lesbians. More than once my wife and I have gone out and they are all over her. They don't ask or anything they just come up and grab a double handful of tit. When my wife goes to whup their ass, they accuse her of gay bashing. Of course I live in Seattle the most aggressively gay city in the US.

Tough

[Horned Toad]

Prefacing my remarks with the fact that I'm probably as against male homosexuality as you can get. It should probably be pointed out here that the Spartans no offence Pete activly recruited Gay couples because they believed that a soldier would fight harder to defend a lover than for any other reason. They don't seem to be a large problem in any other part of society and don't seem to be a problem in the Military now. I don't see where changing the wording on a piece of paper is going to change anything.

Actually it was the Thebans and they beat the Spartans in at least two battles, but Phillip spanked their asses later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes

[Charlie 51]

How has the fact that 1st Batt seems to function okay with all of its homo leg shavers not come up in this discussion yet??

[rangertough]

I have a systemic hatred of lesbians....

Dude -- you need to stop being a hater.:D

Edited to add that I can understand how you would eventually get pissed and gals grabbing your wife without asking would get old.

However.

For the first couple of times, I sincerely admit that if the lesbo grabbing my wife were HOT, I would buy my wife more alcohol and tell her to relax and stop being so unfriendly....:D

Look up every instance of lesbians in Seattle and you will find they are almost all DIESEL. Don't let the recent "Safeco Field" story fool you. I wouldn't touch them with your schwanz. It's weird gay men seem to want to touch them as well, at least they ask first.

Tough

[rgrokelley]

Prefacing my remarks with the fact that I'm probably as against male homosexuality as you can get. It should probably be pointed out here that the Spartans no offence Pete activly recruited Gay couples because they believed that a soldier would fight harder to defend a lover than for any other reason. They don't seem to be a large problem in any other part of society and don't seem to be a problem in the Military now. I don't see where changing the wording on a piece of paper is going to change anything.

The Spartans didn't recruit anyone. You either were a Spartan, and therefore considered as in their army, or you weren't. Just to set the historical record straight, the Spartans were about the least gay folks in ancient Greece. The two big super powers in the Aegean at that time was Athens and Sparta. They constantly fought each other over who would control the trade.

The women in Athens were pretty much locked up, and put out of
sight until they were married. In public they had to wear veils, and
had to be escorted, that is if they were allowed to go out in public
at all. They had no say in anything, and were merely there to make
children. The men did not have much contact with a woman until they
were married. The marriages were arranged and they would not see the
bride until the marriage. Due to this there was rampant
homosexuality in Athens.

The women in Sparta did have a say in what went on in their
lives. They also ran the homes when the men were gone off fighting wars. Remember it was the Spartan mother who said come back with your shield or upon it. The women intermingled with the men on a daily basis. They also competed against the men, and when they did it was like the men, usually naked. Spartan men chose their women based upon what they had seen all their lives, and not due to an arrangement. Due to this the Spartans had the least amount of homosexuality of all the Greek
states.

Here is a website that goes into more detail about Spartan women
and homosexuality:

http://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Women.html

[Horned Toad]

They had no say in anything, and were merely there to make children.

You say that like its a bad thing

[Darksaga]

I can see the person who wrote the study never saw an incident where a guy came out of the closet and it took a squad of armed MP's to hold back the the crowd when he came to retrieve his personal belongings.

[Slowpoke]

Prefacing my remarks with the fact that I'm probably as against male homosexuality as you can get. It should probably be pointed out here that the Spartans no offence Pete activly recruited Gay couples because they believed that a soldier would fight harder to defend a lover than for any other reason. They don't seem to be a large problem in any other part of society and don't seem to be a problem in the Military now. I don't see where changing the wording on a piece of paper is going to change anything.

The Spartans didn't recruit anyone. You either were a Spartan, and therefore considered as in their army, or you weren't. Just to set the historical record straight, the Spartans were about the least gay folks in ancient Greece.

I stand corrected. However, the point is the same......I see this as a self-correcting problem:

I can see the person who wrote the study never saw an incident where a guy came out of the closet and it took a squad of armed MP's to hold back the the crowd when he came to retrieve his personal belongings.

[Silverback]

Slow......Poke

Given the topic this still makes me laugh.

[CloakAndDagger]

I have not "progressed" enough to support gays serving in the Army.

x2!!!!!!


However, as long as they keep that shit to themselves and aren't flamboyant about it. As long as they are proficient at their job and maintain their military bearing like I expect out of every other soldier, and don't have their gayness in everyone's face, I guess I could handle it. Sometimes, what you don't know, don't hurt! Now some flamboyant fag....I wouldn't tolerate that at all! Nor would I be able to serve with someone like that.

Having said that....this is kind of a moot point. Unfortunately, most if not all of us, have probably already served with a homosexual. :?

I've had this misfortune, only to learn (after the fact) that this guy (Jose) declared himself a gay and subsequently got chaptered out.

His civilian dress wasn't anything clearly "gay", nor did he make any advances on any male soldiers, so his conduct wasn't "flaming", but he had many other "homo-typical" issues that made him unfit to be a soldier.

Jose had problems with getting in the dirt and dust, he wouldn't PT worth a damn, and he was apprehensive around firearms. (He was also dumb-as-rocks. Though this isn't gay-caused, it might have made him for susceptible to being gay.) We would always have to pick up the slack for Jose, and no matter how hard we would drill important soldier skills into him he would still fail.

During my time in Afghanistan (fortunately, Jose didn't follow me there), my OIC described a very similar gay soldier she once had. I didn't make the connection until about a year later when I learned Jose had been chaptered.

It's my conclusion that even if they keep their sexual desires to themselves, the whole gay-culture makes them more prone to being complete failures as soldiers.