Just givng the hard charger a little of a tough time since he was suppossed to give me a call about a month ago.PocketKings wrote:They say it's the quiet ones you need to worry about and in case you haven't noticed, 'tough ain't said shit for a while now.Darksaga wrote:Where the hell have you been?!?!rangertough wrote:Only 3 real rules you need to follow when you are in the Army:
1. Look Cool
2. Don't Get Caught
3. If Caught...Look Cool
Smoking your buddy through the thighs definately violates rule #1. Farckin' tards.
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Bro,Darksaga wrote:Shit Ranger.42L5V wrote:1. Treat every weapon as if it is loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.
3. Don't point your weapon at anything you're not willing to destroy.
4. Know your target and beyond.
Those four rules are the bottom line. Prayers out for your wounded comerade.
You haven't been to the range with a bunch of non-shooter's lately have you?
I teach advanced pistol (M11 SigSauer), MP5K, transition drills, reactive fire and day/night stress shooting to MPs and CID agents. The fuck I haven't been to the range with non-shooters...
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LMAO!42L5V wrote:Bro,Darksaga wrote:Shit Ranger.42L5V wrote:1. Treat every weapon as if it is loaded.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot.
3. Don't point your weapon at anything you're not willing to destroy.
4. Know your target and beyond.
Those four rules are the bottom line. Prayers out for your wounded comerade.
You haven't been to the range with a bunch of non-shooter's lately have you?
I teach advanced pistol (M11 SigSauer), MP5K, transition drills, reactive fire and day/night stress shooting to MPs and CID agents. The fuck I haven't been to the range with non-shooters...
I would love to take those classes!
BTW Brother you haven't lived until you have gone to the range with a reserve psychiatric unit.
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They let them carry weapons? Imagine being with nut cases all day then going to the range. What if nah never mind they're doctors right?Darksaga wrote:BTW Brother you haven't lived until you have gone to the range with a reserve psychiatric unit.
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[quote="42L5V]
Bro,
I teach advanced pistol (M11 SigSauer), MP5K, transition drills, reactive fire and day/night stress shooting to MPs and CID agents. The fuck I haven't been to the range with non-shooters... [/quote]
Now Ranger 42L5V...
If I were a preceptive young lad, I would think this was a crack about MPs being non-shooters.....
While I cannot speak for everyone in the MP Corps (obviously, see post 1), I can honestly say I have never shot less than a 49/50!
Bro,
I teach advanced pistol (M11 SigSauer), MP5K, transition drills, reactive fire and day/night stress shooting to MPs and CID agents. The fuck I haven't been to the range with non-shooters... [/quote]
Now Ranger 42L5V...
If I were a preceptive young lad, I would think this was a crack about MPs being non-shooters.....
While I cannot speak for everyone in the MP Corps (obviously, see post 1), I can honestly say I have never shot less than a 49/50!
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Hijack:PocketKings wrote:They say it's the quiet ones you need to worry about and in case you haven't noticed, 'tough ain't said shit for a while now.Darksaga wrote:rangertough wrote:Only 3 real rules you need to follow when you are in the Army:
1. Look Cool
2. Don't Get Caught
3. If Caught...Look Cool
Smoking your buddy through the thighs definately violates rule #1. Farckin' tards.
Tough
Where the hell have you been?!?!
Hope you have been doing well.
oh yeah and you fucking owe me a Guinness, Bastard.
Been working my ass off at a job I hate (writing OPORDS for half-wits that havn't even seen one before) so I can keep bread on the table until I get picked up by a fire department. I tend to be incomunicado when all I've got to say is shit and vitriol.
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The old 3/75 surgeon from the late 90's was in the President's Hundred. He was bad-ass with a m-16/m-4Chiron wrote:They let them carry weapons? Imagine being with nut cases all day then going to the range. What if nah never mind they're doctors right?Darksaga wrote:BTW Brother you haven't lived until you have gone to the range with a reserve psychiatric unit.
I can't even imagine.You'd be suprised just how difficult it is fry someone in this day and age.
When Jamie Dimaise was killed in a training accident in '99 I felt bad for the kid that did it, only because that is a burden he will carry forever.
I still thought that he should get more than a slap on the wrist because HE is the one who didn't check to see the weapon was clear and safe. Yes, I guess the whole COC was to blame because they didn't put enough command emphasis in safe weapons handling, but c'mon, I remember that was the very first thing I was taught in handling a weapon safely.... ..muzzle awareness
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This isn't a dig on you, but...31B_Soldier wrote:
Now Ranger 42L5V...
If I were a preceptive young lad, I would think this was a crack about MPs being non-shooters.....
While I cannot speak for everyone in the MP Corps (obviously, see post 1), I can honestly say I have never shot less than a 49/50!
I'm a USAMPS instructor at the PSD course - all I deal with are MPs and CID agents. I teach combat pistol, amongst other things. Most "agents" now days aren't former MPs, they're crossover from other MOSs. They're truck drivers, supply clerks, etc. who passed the background check to become CID. You have to be a SGT/E-5 or below to crossover. Which means they have shot pistol about five times in their life. Most MPs can't shoot for shit - the schoolhouse is too lock step in their approach to teaching shooting. We don't teach that crap. No blading, no Weaver bullshit. No first shot on single action. We don't do the standard qualification stuff. Have you ever shot a target that is about 2-3 meters away from the close-in? The close-in is where you draw, and as soon as your muzzle clears the holster, rotate it up and shoot from the hip. (two rounds in 3 seconds - I've seen misses at almost every range. How the fuck do you miss from 6 feet?) We shoot a 60 round qualification for 300 points. Like I said - advanced pistol marksmanship. You know, where you actually have to draw and engage a target, do an emergency reload and re-engage. Shooting on the move. Support hand shooting. Shooting in the kneeling position. Barricade shooting. Stress shooting. Not the "all clear on the left? all clear on the right? firers, lock and load, watch your lane" bullshit. Hell, does the 50 point qualifiction table even include drawing a loaded weapon? Why do most L&O patrol officers not carry a hot gun? Most PMOs refuse to allow their patrol guys to chamber a round. Why not? Because the Army doesn't teach gunfighting - it teaches marksmanship. That's two totally different things. My 14 year old can qualify with a pistol. Put him in a life-fire shoothouse, and it's a different story. The worst shooters are junior officers.
The Army Marksmanship Program is broke - especially for pistol. I see more bad habits in stance, grip, rapid reloading, etc. than you can imagine. Any jackass can shoot a pistol reasonably well on the Army qualification tables.
Now, you said that the accident happened with an M-4 on the range. Which means that your unit is going to go way overboard on range safety procedures, and your "marksmanship" training will be even more safe and more stupid. Now your units' shooting will become even more unrealistic, in the name of safety. I don't blame PFC Shitbrick - I blame the leadership. I'm assuming that the lane safety and RSO are gonna fry just as well.
Anyway, enough of the hijack. Send me a PM if you're interested in how we shoot/teach shooting. Better yet, come to the course, so you can buy me a beer!
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