Rant: Harassment Hysteria in the Military

[The Holmchicken]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Fags and females are the downfall of the American Army.

NO, ASSHOLES are the downfall of the American Army.


Gender doesn't fucking matter.

Wut size that foot Holm...bout a 10?

No foot in my mouth. I say what I feel and what I see and no reason to recant or be ashamed.

[MrsDocMac]

Um... Ranger Hobbit, what about the males who impregnated said females?........ Are they given a reprieve for their ability to fuck and run?

Hiding behind my Ranger now....

Not their fault unless it was rape. Men have no say if a woman gets pregnant. I'm sure you've heard of bc pills and abortions.

Whoa Ranger Deleon275..... Not their fault? So it's just the female's fault? I'm not sayin it's all on the guy, it's 50/50, she spread her legs and he slammed it in there. There are also things called condoms. I'm sure you've heard of those too, right?

I'll leave the abortion comment alone, that's another time, another forum, another rant completely.....

[hobbit]

Um... Ranger Hobbit, what about the males who impregnated said females?........ Are they given a reprieve for their ability to fuck and run?

Hiding behind my Ranger now....

Not their fault unless it was rape. Men have no say if a woman gets pregnant. I'm sure you've heard of bc pills and abortions.

Whoa Ranger Deleon275..... Not their fault? So it's just the female's fault? I'm not sayin it's all on the guy, it's 50/50, she spread her legs and he slammed it in there. There are also things called condoms. I'm sure you've heard of those too, right?

I'll leave the abortion comment alone, that's another time, another forum, another rant completely.....

Your argument is ludicrous. While you're a soldier in a war zone, the military owns your body, not you. Watch the French film "A Very Long Engagement" to see how armies have long dealt with soldiers who bring about any debilitating physical condition that prevents them from carrying out their duties in a war zone. The French Army shot such people by the hundreds during WWI. So did all the other armies involved. If you are a soldier, male or female, and you are depended on in a war zone, and you then bring about a condition that prevents you from performing your duty, whether a self-inflicted wound or pregnancy, you have perpetrated a serious dereliction of duty -a serious crime. PERIOD!

[MrsDocMac]

Ranger Hobbit, wouldn't the male soldier that got her pregnant be accused of the same offense. That's like pointing a loaded revolver at a fellow soldier's foot and playing russian roulette. (Not the best analogy I know but it's 0630 here...)

I implore you to explain to me why he isn't at fault. Do females make men fuck them, all the time? Do they order them not to wear a condom?

I know that while it shouldn't happen, there are females who will screw anything that walks and not give a rat's ass about the consequences, but it's not like the fellas aren't willing participants.

[Silverback]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Fags and females are the downfall of the American Army.

NO, ASSHOLES are the downfall of the American Army.


Gender doesn't fucking matter.

Ad hominem against a Ranger ?

[Nomad]

I implore you to explain to me why he isn't at fault. Do females make men fuck them, all the time? Do they order them not to wear a condom?

Well interesting that you should bring that up, because if they don't want to get fucked by the man, they generally don't put out.

Should they get nailed by someone when they don't want to get nailed it is referred to as "rape" and that is not a funny matter. So it is common sense, that if the chick gets pregnant, it is her fault for not insisting on the male wearing a condom.

He is not at fault for getting her pregnant in that sense.

The counter-argument of him wanting her not to get pregnant might make perfect sense, but I don't know any guys who like to strap-up. IF it is good enough, there is usually a convincing argument for the guy to follow instructions.

[CHCB]

For 14 years, I shared the general view of my combat arms brethren-that allowing women in the Army was a mistake, except for the fact that it provided more opportunities for sex in the barracks and, if you were extraordinarily lucky, in the back of an FLA in the field.

When I went into the AG Corps, I was apprehensive about working with women because of my attitude about their usefulness, and the likelihood that I'd say "fuck" at the wrong time and end up the target of an sexual harassment complaint.

Most of the women I have encountered in uniform are as dedicated, professional, and patriotic as men. The whiners and complainers exist among female soldiers in about the same proportions as they do among males.

The good ones are just as infuriated by bad ones as we are...more so, because they feel that they get lumped in with them because of their sex.

You tell me 9% of women in Desert Shield/Storm got pregnant? We'll never know how many got pregnant on purpose (no contraception is 100%), or how many were were fucking and DIDN'T get pregnant. The important fact you overlook in that statistic is NOT that 9% got pregnant, but that the remaining 91% were filling positions that allowed other male recruits to be in the Infantry, Armor, and Artillery. My Mech-Armor Task Force crossed the Iraqi border in 1991 with two female medics in the Battalion Aid Station. Would I rather have had NO medics there? No thanks, brother. I don't care what she has (or doesn't have!) between her legs if she's the one hooking up my IV.

26,000 women served in the Army in ODS-in 2001, there were over 72,000 women on active duty. Given our difficulties in recruiting, I don't think we can handle a drop in over 15% of our end strength, unless you want to go back to a conscript Army, which I don't think the country is ready for.

Do women make spurious sexual harassment complaints? Sure they do. Fucking whiny crybabies of both sexes run screaming to the IG all the time: always have, always will.

Unfortunately, some of those complaints are substantiated, and all too many go well beyond somebody saying "fuck" at the wrong time. Rather than be surprised and pissed off that some women make false complaints, maybe we ought to be disgusted that some of our fellow males can't take their eyes off a soldier's tits long enough to measure her true merit (or lack thereof).

[Julieanne]

NO, ASSHOLES are the downfall of the American Army. Gender doesn't fucking matter.

I can't speak on behalf of the American Army, but I'd like to say something relevant regarding the United States Army if I may. Something more than 9% of active duty females deployed to the Middle East during the First Gulf War, became pregnant. The ratio for the US Navy was even higher. Now tell me, when these people can no longer function in their appointed military tasks because 9 months of nature is taking its course, who is supposed to fill in for them? Should we take a white flag over to the enemy and ask them for a ceasefire on account of our radar operations officer, our cryptographer, and four of our ordnance handling specialists need to take maternity leaves? If such a problem was a major embarrassment for the military during this relatively non-debilitating MidEast skirmish, image how much it might be exaserbated in a full scale war.

Ranger Hobbit, as I recall, there are repercussions for females who become pregnant in a war zone or deployed. That was not the issue. However as I recall there is also a no fraternization policy across the board for all soldiers who are deployed.

[Julieanne]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Fags and females are the downfall of the American Army.

NO, ASSHOLES are the downfall of the American Army.


Gender doesn't fucking matter.

Ad hominem against a Ranger ?

Absolutely not, Ranger Silverback. I was merely pointing out that females in general are NOT the only problem in the US Army.

I have no problems w/ RGR Holmchicken.

[Julieanne]

For 14 years, I shared the general view of my combat arms brethren-that allowing women in the Army was a mistake, except for the fact that it provided more opportunities for sex in the barracks and, if you were extraordinarily lucky, in the back of an FLA in the field.

When I went into the AG Corps, I was apprehensive about working with women because of my attitude about their usefulness, and the likelihood that I'd say "fuck" at the wrong time and end up the target of an sexual harassment complaint.

Most of the women I have encountered in uniform are as dedicated, professional, and patriotic as men. The whiners and complainers exist among female soldiers in about the same proportions as they do among males.

The good ones are just as infuriated by bad ones as we are...more so, because they feel that they get lumped in with them because of their sex.

You tell me 9% of women in Desert Shield/Storm got pregnant? We'll never know how many got pregnant on purpose (no contraception is 100%), or how many were were fucking and DIDN'T get pregnant. The important fact you overlook in that statistic is NOT that 9% got pregnant, but that the remaining 91% were filling positions that allowed other male recruits to be in the Infantry, Armor, and Artillery. My Mech-Armor Task Force crossed the Iraqi border in 1991 with two female medics in the Battalion Aid Station. Would I rather have had NO medics there? No thanks, brother. I don't care what she has (or doesn't have!) between her legs if she's the one hooking up my IV.

26,000 women served in the Army in ODS-in 2001, there were over 72,000 women on active duty. Given our difficulties in recruiting, I don't think we can handle a drop in over 15% of our end strength, unless you want to go back to a conscript Army, which I don't think the country is ready for.

Do women make spurious sexual harassment complaints? Sure they do. Fucking whiny crybabies of both sexes run screaming to the IG all the time: always have, always will.

Unfortunately, some of those complaints are substantiated, and all too many go well beyond somebody saying "fuck" at the wrong time. Rather than be surprised and pissed off that some women make false complaints, maybe we ought to be disgusted that some of our fellow males can't take their eyes off a soldier's tits long enough to measure her true merit (or lack thereof).

Thank you, RGR CHCB. The Vet Sisters on this board truly appreciate what you said above. I believe many of us fall into the 91% that were filling our positions responsibly and with honor.

[RangerJim]

Absolutely not, Ranger Silverback. I was merely pointing out that females in general are NOT the only problem in the US Army.

I have to agree with Julieane on that one. My last 3 years were in the "Regular Army" and I couldn't believe the no standard having pieces of crap that are walking around out there I have no idea how anyone can do 20 years in the RA. Right before they finally sent us to DS the 24th ID deployed. They had more people (men) go AWOL than we had in the entire BN.

[Looon]

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Fags and females are the downfall of the American Army.

NO, ASSHOLES are the downfall of the American Army.


Gender doesn't fucking matter.

Ad hominem against a Ranger ?

Isnt that big corn?

[42L5V]

Since I'm a male, having a soft-skill (AG), I spent my first years in all-male units, i.e. combat engineer, infantry, SF. Those years while rising from E-1 to E-5 were my early upbringing. I'm sure that if my first unit of assignment was a totally AG unit, I wouldn't have done the things I've done over my career, and certainly not seperated myself from my peers in the manner that I have.

My first experience at gender-integration was at PLDC, much like most of you Infantrymen. I was in 5th SFG, when they started letting females work in the Group HQ, and every assignment I've had after that has been gender-integrated - to include Drill Sergeant and later 1SG in a gender-integrated environment.

I received new, Infantry Drill Sergeants - pissed off because they weren't at Benning - and explained to them why it was necessary for them to be at this post, training females and males, and also why it benefitted the Army more to have Infantrymen there. After hearing the typical comments of "I'd rather train Infantry Soldiers", "These kids will never benefit me as an Infantryman", "I'll never work with females", "I've NEVER worked with females before", etc. etc. the conversation would come around to how to interact with female Soldiers.

My advice was always to treat them exactly the same. Hard and mean. Never cross the line in an official capacity. You wouldn't fuck one of your male Soldiers, why would you want to fuck one of your females?

From my 19.3 years of experience, the whiny "go to IG" types come in both sexes. You can identify who they are when you're inprocessing, even before you have to "mentor" them or before you have the opportunity to offend them. You know who they are. They fall into the 10% category. Never allow a gender issue (or your perception of a gender issue) to paralize your leadership. 90-95% of the female Soldiers are willing to pull their own weight and then some, just to make up for the idea that they're not pulling their own. And they're willing to put up with a moderate amount of shit, just because they understand it's the environment they chose. The other 5-10% are those who need the 3-meter supervision, and need to be ridden like a rented mule until they either shape up, or decide to depart the service.

[Rock Island Ranger]

Ive met some awefully good women in the Military. For the most part, professional and serious about their jobs. Recreational fucking is something that is not gender specific nor could anyone hold that against women any more than men. Shit happens. And when it did happen both parties SHOULD be responsible. As a percentage, I saw less overpaid tax burdens in females than I did in males. Im not certain that any claim of them being the downfall of the military is accurate or supportable. In fact...I know it's not. Belief that it is is different than a substantiated fact.

I did not want women in Combat roles nor did I want them in Combat Units. Regardless, they were in Combat Units in support roles and I saw meaningful pride in their work and ability to do the jobs they were assigned.