Ranger Kilted Heathen went home?

Parabellum · Post by **Parabellum** » September 23rd, 2005, 8:03 am

Towedjmpr wrote:All right. Take this fucking wambulance calling contest somewhere else.

This thread started out funny and some butt hurt fucker wants to cry about guns.

Shut the fuck up and move out.

I think that it is still funny.

Towedjmpr · Post by **Towedjmpr** » September 23rd, 2005, 8:07 am

It is funny Ranger. But no longer on topic.

Towedjmpr · Post by **Towedjmpr** » September 23rd, 2005, 9:19 am

Ummmmm, no.

Ranger Terry Welshan, I would not dare.

You did not start the hijack.

Rock Island Ranger · September 23rd, 2005, 9:45 am

Terry Welshan wrote:Since the topic is about violence in Great Britian perhaps this will help to bring the tributaries of discussion back in line.

"It was during this period of severe restrictions on owning firearms that crime rates in general, and the murder rate in particular, began to rise in England. "As the number of legal firearms have dwindled, the numbers of armed crimes have risen," Professor Malcolm points out. "

Summary: While England has not yet reached the American level of murders, it has already surpassed the United States in rates of robbery and burglary. Moreover, in recent years the murder rate in England has been going up under still more severe gun control laws, while the murder rate in the United States has been going down as more and more states have allowed private citizens to carry concealed weapons -- and have begun locking up more criminals.

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2205

Magine THAT. Depending on the Government to take care of you does this. Damn THAT noise....

rgrpuck · Post by **rgrpuck** » September 23rd, 2005, 11:05 am

Thanks Terry ......

Thats does cement my first post.

"An armed society, is a polite society."

Southern_Brit · Post by **Southern_Brit** » September 23rd, 2005, 12:13 pm

There's your man!!!

RgrPuck started it all... got us off on a tangent!!!

Why I oughta...

Towedjmpr · Post by **Towedjmpr** » September 23rd, 2005, 12:30 pm

Southern_Brit · Post by **Southern_Brit** » September 23rd, 2005, 12:32 pm

Abell9 wrote:
Terry Welshan wrote:Since the topic is about violence in Great Britian perhaps this will help to bring the tributaries of discussion back in line.

"It was during this period of severe restrictions on owning firearms that crime rates in general, and the murder rate in particular, began to rise in England. "As the number of legal firearms have dwindled, the numbers of armed crimes have risen," Professor Malcolm points out. "

Summary: While England has not yet reached the American level of murders, it has already surpassed the United States in rates of robbery and burglary. Moreover, in recent years the murder rate in England has been going up under still more severe gun control laws, while the murder rate in the United States has been going down as more and more states have allowed private citizens to carry concealed weapons -- and have begun locking up more criminals.

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2205

Magine THAT. Depending on the Government to take care of you does this. Damn THAT noise....

Right, last I'm saying on this (honest)

The UK is a small island with a population of approx 60 million and the crime rate with burgalries and robberies is relatively high (possibly more than the US - in proportion)...these crimes are in mainly urban areas, often fuelled by drugs and drink. Us having the ability to carry guns will not help THIS country, it won't deter robberies and similar crimes but give the criminals guns, the gangs guns, the carjackers guns, the drug pushers guns and on and on and on. It would also give guns to a population and therefore accidents and errors would occur - I have heard a few times of kids killing kids in the states through mistakes, negligent discharges... needless deaths. I have seen countless footage and news reports of what can happen when guns are readily available and that is why I don't want us to have that right. Anything else? Why not... mace? Tasers? (all currently illegal here) - give our people something...yes - but I do not want untrained, stupid people, ignorant people and all those in between to have their finger on a trigger!

You keep them, you need them (!) - you have a whole different country than here, founded on different rights, with a different vision - which i recognize...can you not see why it would not work here or why I think it wouldn't... do your views have to be so insular? Your template of a society and it laws won't always fit in elsewhere, as ours wouldn't with you.

Excuse me going on like a broken record....

Southern_Brit · Post by **Southern_Brit** » September 23rd, 2005, 12:33 pm

I need a fucking beer!

Towedjmpr · Post by **Towedjmpr** » September 23rd, 2005, 12:49 pm

Not to start the flames up again, but your country would not have a rising crime issue if the guns were not taken away in the first place.

Yes, reintroducing them at this point would be bad, but it got that way because they were taken, not because they aren't there now.

Go get a beer.

VAK · Post by **VAK** » September 23rd, 2005, 1:31 pm

Southern_Brit wrote: Right, last I'm saying on this (honest)

Excuse me going on like a broken record....

Was my Shut the fuck up, not clear enough for you?

Do you need another helping per chance???

Let me be plain, you've become an irritant to me-so until such time as you can be a grown up. Shut your fucking cockholster!!!

Southern_Brit · Post by **Southern_Brit** » September 23rd, 2005, 1:47 pm

We continuing???

Right...........

Only got stats for year 2000 (they'll do for now!) :-

Total crime

USA
23,677,800
80.06 per 1000 people

UK
5,170,31
85.55 per 1000 people

Murdered

USA
12,658
0.04 per 1000 people

UK
850
0.01 per 1000 people

Murder by firearm

USA
8,259
0.02 per 1000 people

UK
62
0.00 per 1000 people

There are other stats (robberies and theft where we are worse than you, as the overall crime rate shows at the top... mainly as we're theiving bastards!) - I just wanted to highlight the gun related crimes.
Our figures are poor and I don't want them increasing and believe what we have now in society is right for us.