A question for those in the know.
I have been thinking about building or buying a new toy. In case you didn't know NY has some fucked up gun laws. Post ban m16 lowers have many more regulations attached to them than pre-ban.
My question is: Are there pre-ban lower receivers available out there. Here in NY you have to pay huge $$ for a pre-ban lower, if you can even find one.
Just curious at this point.
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A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
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Horned Toad
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I know were there is a pre-ban lower that was purchased in '91 and never used. It's just been packed away waiting for the day to be built.
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So would they sell it for $$ and a blow job! :DAbnRgr289 wrote:I know were there is a pre-ban lower that was purchased in '91 and never used. It's just been packed away waiting for the day to be built.
C 2/75, 1st Plt, Wpns Sqd 76-79
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
Some NYS rules:
It shall be unlawful to possess any "assault weapon" or a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". So called "assault weapons" lawfully possessed prior to September 14, 1994 and "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" manufactured prior to such date are grandfathered.
An "assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher;
M-4 out of the question. Can't register it as a pistol.
I hate this state.
It shall be unlawful to possess any "assault weapon" or a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". So called "assault weapons" lawfully possessed prior to September 14, 1994 and "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" manufactured prior to such date are grandfathered.
An "assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher;
M-4 out of the question. Can't register it as a pistol.
I hate this state.
C 2/75, 1st Plt, Wpns Sqd 76-79
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
No blowjobs accepted, cash only.(Your not built right anyway!)McD wrote:So would they sell it for $$ and a blow job! :DAbnRgr289 wrote:I know were there is a pre-ban lower that was purchased in '91 and never used. It's just been packed away waiting for the day to be built.
Besides, I don't know if I want to sell it just yet.
"It's not for us to reason why, it's just for us to Do or Die!"
"S.A.F.R.A.!"
Bco 1/263rd Armor SCARNG. 11/84-7/87
Aco 3/75 Rgr Regt. 1/88-2/90 (Op-JC)
HHC 2/18 197 Inf Bde/3rd Bde 24th ID. 2/90-5/92 (Op-DS/DS)
HHC 4th RTB 5/92-12/95
Rgr class 1&2-89
"S.A.F.R.A.!"
Bco 1/263rd Armor SCARNG. 11/84-7/87
Aco 3/75 Rgr Regt. 1/88-2/90 (Op-JC)
HHC 2/18 197 Inf Bde/3rd Bde 24th ID. 2/90-5/92 (Op-DS/DS)
HHC 4th RTB 5/92-12/95
Rgr class 1&2-89
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CatFish Driver
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That's why I left and am never coming back to live. You should look at gunbroker.com. It's the eBay of guns. You just need to talk to someone with a Class III license and negotiate them letting you use it to get weapons/weapons parts. Most would charge you about $30-$50 for use of it.McD wrote:Some NYS rules:
It shall be unlawful to possess any "assault weapon" or a "large capacity ammunition feeding device". So called "assault weapons" lawfully possessed prior to September 14, 1994 and "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" manufactured prior to such date are grandfathered.
An "assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher;
M-4 out of the question. Can't register it as a pistol.
I hate this state.
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"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
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You get no sucky here no matter what Joe!!AbnRgr289 wrote:No blowjobs accepted, cash only.(Your not built right anyway!)McD wrote:So would they sell it for $$ and a blow job! :DAbnRgr289 wrote:I know were there is a pre-ban lower that was purchased in '91 and never used. It's just been packed away waiting for the day to be built.
Besides, I don't know if I want to sell it just yet.
Just testing the waters at this point. What to get a feel for the $$$.
C 2/75, 1st Plt, Wpns Sqd 76-79
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
i know its "illegal" and all, but why not let one of your Ranger brothers who live in a more liberal gun state purchase it for you and then "gift" it to you while you visit them.
i am looking to build my m4 currently as well.. just waiting for the governement moneys to flow thru my bank account. gotta love college.
currently looking at the rock river arms set up. from my perspective they seem to built some of the best m4 types out there...specifically in relation to no slop between the upper and lower recievers..looks like my build will cost just under the 1300 mark..without my acog..which i will find one of these days..
RLTW,
Grifter
i am looking to build my m4 currently as well.. just waiting for the governement moneys to flow thru my bank account. gotta love college.
currently looking at the rock river arms set up. from my perspective they seem to built some of the best m4 types out there...specifically in relation to no slop between the upper and lower recievers..looks like my build will cost just under the 1300 mark..without my acog..which i will find one of these days..
RLTW,
Grifter
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OEF/OIF
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1st Ranger
Keep in mind, back when the national ban was in effect, it was hotly debated wether or not stripped lowers, made prior to the start of the ban, that had never been built into a full rifle, were legal candidates for Pre-Ban status. I think that the BATF may have issued an opinion that only lowers that had been built into a rifle before the ban went into effect were considered Pre-Ban, and it was up to the owner to prove that it was, not the govt's to prove that it wasn't. Something you may want to look into. Fucking gun laws...
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The completeness of a reciever has nothing to do with its Pre/Post-ban status. Where that comes into play is in purchasing a reciever, NICS does not apply to the non-complete recievers. This allows someone, for example, to build an AK using a parts kit, along with the correct number of compliance parts, without having to go through the backgraound check when buying a complete reciever.
That being said, he can build it using the 80% reciever, not go through the background check, and most likely never get caught, but that would then be an illegal rifle.
The downside of using an 80% receiver is that you have to take it to someone to either: a) drill the holes for you then harden that portion of the reciever (does this even apply with aluminum recievers?), or b) drill the holes yourself and then take it to someone to harden the holes. Either way, that involves a gunsmith, and I doubt many gunsmiths will want to work on a shady reciever. Of course, since I'm not a metalurgist, I have no idea if you even need to harden the holes on an aluminum AR-15 reciever.
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That being said, he can build it using the 80% reciever, not go through the background check, and most likely never get caught, but that would then be an illegal rifle.
The downside of using an 80% receiver is that you have to take it to someone to either: a) drill the holes for you then harden that portion of the reciever (does this even apply with aluminum recievers?), or b) drill the holes yourself and then take it to someone to harden the holes. Either way, that involves a gunsmith, and I doubt many gunsmiths will want to work on a shady reciever. Of course, since I'm not a metalurgist, I have no idea if you even need to harden the holes on an aluminum AR-15 reciever.
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