ROTC and the Ranger Battalion

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ROTC and the Ranger Battalion

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Hello Rangers. I posted last year stating I was going to join as enlisted, but instead finished my apprenticeship, becoming a successful Journeyman Plumber. I thought carefully about what my skillset could bring in service to the Army, and the next logical step for me would to obtain a degree that would enhance these skills - a degree in mechanical engineering. I could potentially go into plumbing engineering, in addition to many other fields. To make a long story short, I have been admitted next fall to a full time University and have received already a partial Honors Scholarship. I have also been admitted to ROTC, with the possibility of receiving a Scholarship.

A wise man once told me that God has a way of making you discontent, so you become motivated to achieve your destiny, and that he does not tolerate mediocrity. I could very well take an easier path in life, but it wouldn't sit right with me. I want to enhance my skillset so that I may be more effective when I serve.

From what I have read, becoming a Ranger commissioned officer is even more competitive then enlisted. I would also be 30 years old by the time I am eligible to commission and compete for active duty service as an officer. I'm not sure of the truth of this, but someone told me older soldiers aren't deployed on missions, but are stuck in offices and so on. Would I be considered past my prime for Ranger service? Is my experience considered valuable for a specific role in the Ranger Battalion? Or would I better be suited to join the Sappers? I would greatly appreciate any advice on what I should work towards in the next four years of college. Thank you.

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I joined at 34 deployed at a later age than that. So no you will not sit behind a desk unless you want too.


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If you commission, your chances of attaining a position within the Regiment will be minuscule, compared against your year group cohort. There's a finite number of potions available, vs. number of positions thou out the rest of the Army. Getting one is highly competitive. Career timing and current unit support to assess is also crucial. That assumes you commission into a branch that's required by and has potions within the Regiment to begin with. And you meet the initial requirements.

That's something for you to look at and research.

There's nothing wrong or shameful about being enlisted. NCOs are the decisive leaders in any organization, especially the Regiment.
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Grim666 wrote:I joined at 34 deployed at a later age than that. So no you will not sit behind a desk unless you want too.


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Roger, Ranger Grim. Thank you, that's good to know. If you don't mind me asking, what was it like coming into the Rangers at age 34? I would be very interested to hear your story.

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KW Driver wrote:If you commission, your chances of attaining a position within the Regiment will be minuscule, compared against your year group cohort. There's a finite number of potions available, vs. number of positions thou out the rest of the Army. Getting one is highly competitive. Career timing and current unit support to assess is also crucial. That assumes you commission into a branch that's required by and has potions within the Regiment to begin with. And you meet the initial requirements.

That's something for you to look at and research.

There's nothing wrong or shameful about being enlisted. NCOs are the decisive leaders in any organization, especially the Regiment.
Roger Ranger KW Driver. Thank you for the valuable information. Upon further research I found out that reserve officers are not considered for the ranger regiment. Does this just mean officers serving in the reserves are unqualified, or does it also mean you are unqualified if you are a reserve commissioned officer serving active duty? (meaning only top ROTC, OCS, and all West Point Graduates would be qualified)

I apologize if I came across as disrespectful towards enlisted personnel. I had no such intent and I completely agree with what you say about serving as enlisted. I just feel college is the best route for me now.

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I have no idea, but would assume they take Regular Army offices vs. Reserve Component on Active Duty officers. That might be worth looking up. Not to be confused with Reserve Component officer activated for duty.
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Too many commissioned officers mistake their importance early in their careers, and don't value their relationships with other leaders. in my opinion.

Officers, especially at the Company level are managers. They manage and resource NCOs. NCOs lead. Or, they're supposed to. If they aren't, their senior NCOs and officers are failing to train, mentor, and hold them to appropriate standards. That's the way I think it should work, and when it does, it's a sight to behold.
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KW Driver wrote:I have no idea, but would assume they take Regular Army offices vs. Reserve Component on Active Duty officers. That might be worth looking up. Not to be confused with Reserve Component officer activated for duty.
Roger Ranger KW Driver. I got a direct answer from Army.com: Sorry, the 75th Ranger Regiment is not accepting any packets from National Guard or Army Reserve Officers. If I take that verbatim, it means that I have to become an active component commissioned officer to even be considered. And that means graduating top 10% off my commissioning class in ROTC, if I remember correctly. It makes sense that the Rangers only want the best of the best for its Officer Corps. It's a long shot, but it's something I'll keep on my radar,

I am friends with a few Army soldiers, both enlisted and commissioned and they echoed your sentiment. When I get there, I am there to learn, not boss around highly experienced soldiers that actually know what needs to be done. I plan on service with humility and will respect and take to heart everything I can learn from the NCOs, as well as commissioned Officers. I fully realize I will never deserve an ounce of respect until I actually earn it.

Thank you for your assistance.

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All ROTC officers are Reserve commission. Only USMA are active commission. It's a throwback to WW2 days, and bears nothing on your officer career once commissioned to active duty. If the 75th only let in USMA officers it would end up being a ring knocking shit storm.

The only difference in the commissioning sources is that ROTC officers can be selected to go straight Reserve, which didn't happen in my day. Maybe things are changing with the draw down, but USMA still only commissions a fraction of the officers on active duty (maybe 20%), not enough to staff the needs of the Army (even a smaller Army).
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I was gunna let him figure that one out for himself. Back in the 80-early 90s, ROTC got some Regular Army commissions too. Don't know when/if it changed. I had an RA commission waiting on my graduation. I enlisted instead.
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I was a SSG who went to OCS. Remained a USAR officer until I was promote to MAJ, then I was integrated into the RA. There are pros and cons to almost all the choices.
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KW Driver wrote:I was gunna let him figure that one out for himself. Back in the 80-early 90s, ROTC got some Regular Army commissions too. Don't know when/if it changed. I had an RA commission waiting on my graduation. I enlisted instead.
It hasn't changed. The deep truth is that USMA is set to under-produce for the next couple of years. With USMA producing under their normal 15-20%, ROTC will be missioned above the normal 75% and OCS will fill the gap.

Do the math- ROTC produces a large percentage of active duty officers.
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Thank you for the valuable information Rangers and clearing up this grey area. Once I get close to commissioning my career options will become more apparent. However, opportunity meets preparedness, so I should know these things in order to be ready when it comes my way.

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bobdub wrote:Thank you for the valuable information Rangers and clearing up this grey area. Once I get close to commissioning my career options will become more apparent. However, opportunity meets preparedness, so I should know these things in order to be ready when it comes my way.
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