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Why should Americans own guns?

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During my school years, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and the Gods were many, we were taught that guns were an important part of our checks and balance system of governing America.

Our forefathers did not want this nation to end up like those in Europe, where the people were governed by the force of arms, so they wrote the 2nd amendment. As long as we had an armed population, it was reasoned that we would be governed with reason, not might.

A government facing an armed population would think more than twice about using arms against that population. They wanted the people to be as strong or stronger than their government.

Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that in order to conquer a nation, you must first disarm it.

There is nothing antiquated about our Constitution, nor our Bill of Rights, every word is as critical today as the day they were put on paper, perhaps even more so.

There is not one word in those documents that suggests allowing people to have weapons was so that they could only hunt game with them.

It is easy to govern an unarmed population. It requires little or no thought about consequences.

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4th Amendment?
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IEDmagnet wrote:4th Amendment?
Thanks, I corrected it. Mind not fully engaged I guess.

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Roger
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Why should I own guns? Because its a naturally given right from whatever
deity you choose to follow, merely acknowledged in writing by our Founding Fathers.
Same as voting, reading a newspaper, gathering in protest, and being secure in my belongings
from unreasonable search and seizure.
...Shall not be infringed. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
I could go on and on- when seconds count, police are minutes away. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
My family's life and well being is more important to me than the criminal in my house trying to
take my stuff or hurt my family.

Full disclosure: I'm in Law Enforcement. And I still think this way.
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fatboy wrote:Full disclosure: I'm in Law Enforcement. And I still think this way.
Same here. I am not intimidated by armed, law-abiding citizens. I see them as a "force multiplier" for my interests. :D

I absolutely cannot stand the current en vogue argument of "quit being so silly about guns..we're not talking about restricting your hunting rifles.." :roll: Is there a single anti-gun advocate that's even read the 2nd amendment, or a history book?
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fatboy wrote:Why should I own guns? Because its a naturally given right from whatever
deity you choose to follow, merely acknowledged in writing by our Founding Fathers.
Same as voting, reading a newspaper, gathering in protest, and being secure in my belongings
from unreasonable search and seizure.
...Shall not be infringed. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
I could go on and on- when seconds count, police are minutes away. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
My family's life and well being is more important to me than the criminal in my house trying to
take my stuff or hurt my family.

Full disclosure: I'm in Law Enforcement. And I still think this way.
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Because our Govt are starting to act like the British did in 1775.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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I do not think any of us would ever want to take up arms against our government, but being armed is one of the things that prevents us from ever needing to do that.

Ideally, we never even want to feel that we are being governed by anyone at all. What we want is for the groups of people we elected to office is for them to manage the affairs of our nation so that we do not have to concern ourselves with such things. We pay them so that we can run our businesses and earn our livings without worrying about what our government is up to.

Sadly, that has not been the case as of late. They expect us to do our jobs and pay our taxes, yet think we are being unreasonable to expect the same from them.

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Some one around here had a sig line at one time that read something like:
"I swore an oath to support and defend the constitution, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I don't remember anyone releasing me from that oath."
It rings particularly true with me. The day the government tries to tell me to go forth and disarm the populace
for no more reason than some panty waist with sand in their ass passed some knee jerk legislation to make the other
panty waists feel better about crime-invited zones, well that's the day my retirement, early or otherwise is announced.

As far as citizens with guns, well I work in a nationally ranked shithole for crime. I've really come to
believe that an armed society is a polite society. And the more people carrying, the less bad guys remain unventilated when they try to victimize the wrong person.
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I wish I had bought a CAR-15 type years ago when I was making a decent living. I always wanted to learn how to use one of those things,,,I tried to accumulate the parts to build my own M-60, but my Ma and sisters buried all my stuff in the garden when I was roaming around the country , hopping trains!!!
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JoBa wrote:I do not think any of us would ever want to take up arms against our government,
You know, both LTC George Washington, Royal Virginia Militia, and Colonel Robert E. Lee, US Army, both thought the same thing.
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Anybody read about Illinois yet? Correct me if I'm wrong but their Legislation just passed 'no OWNERSHIP of semi-auto rifles, no OWNERSHIP of semi-auto pistols, no grandfather clause and a grace period to turn those weapons in or face prosecution.'

If I'm correct isn't that the beginning of "infringement?"
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Maggot275 wrote:Anybody read about Illinois yet?
http://armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=63467
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Flesh Thorn wrote:
Maggot275 wrote:Anybody read about Illinois yet?
http://armyranger.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=63467
Thanks Flesh, I usually don't visit that area. So the attempt was made but dead for now. That's what is disturbing, our politicians are continuing to piss on the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It's not suprizing but our society is over populated with the dumbasses that continue to vote them in!
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