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Re: Texas constable's office defends Tasering of grandmother

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Silverback wrote:I understand the moral disinclination to tasing a geriatric...but at what point in a person's life do they become unaccountable for their actions? Maybe right about the time they shouldn't be allowed to drive?
Maybe this will or should lead to her drivers permit being revoked.
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EarthPig wrote:I think the entire way he handled the stop was fucked up. He went from 0-100 in seconds (not that you shouldn't be able to.....I just don't think this warranted that response). Once he made the decision to arrest her (or instanter her for speeding, as it would be called in the Texas Traffic Code), he should've gained immediate control of her person. Looking at her size and body movements, that shouldn't have been tricky at all. He should've been able to manipulate a pair of cuffs on her without breaking her bones. She wasn't going for his gun, and she wasn't trying to assault him. She gave a feeble attempt at resisting. She also agreed to sign the ticket...albeit after the officer had made up his mind to cuff her.

From the second she said, "Take me to jail," he should've used at least a soft-hand tecnique to get her to the rear of the vehicle. Then, the second she started to buck up, he would've already had ahold of her, and could've easily got her facefirst against the tailgate. He seemed more concerned about his citation book and later, his taser. He didn't have his hands free to do much of anything. His cuffs should've been in his hand before she had two feet on the ground.

I agree that the woman asked for it. She was spouting her age from the very beginning, like she was above all that. She also said in her interview that the report (based on the video from the patrol car) was all a lie. Riiiiight. She had an agenda. I just feel like a properly trained LE officer could've handled that infinitely smoother and without the use of a taser.
Constables in this state have a horrible reputation. In Houston, their ranks consist primarily of guys who were DXed from the Sheriff's Dept or PD. Or guys who never made it that far. I've seen some massively fucked up scenes, thanks to those guys. But, that's another topic....

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After reading and thinking the “elderly citizen” issue…

First you don’t fuck with the old, as they tend to have experience. Second if they are pressed into a fight they go for broke. Third they may not have all their wits about them. Lastly the press will have a field day with it.

I like EP’s response.
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Re: Texas constable's office defends Tasering of grandmother

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EarthPig wrote:...
Constables in this state have a horrible reputation. In Houston, their ranks consist primarily of guys who were DXed from the Sheriff's Dept or PD. Or guys who never made it that far. I've seen some massively fucked up scenes, thanks to those guys. But, that's another topic....

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You got that right Ranger EP, they are more like ex-security guards that got there TCLEOSE cert by mail.

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Flesh Thorn wrote:Based on my recent trip to Texas, is doing 60 in a 45 even wrong ?
only if you pass the cop in front of you.
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AngryPistols wrote:
EarthPig wrote:...
Constables in this state have a horrible reputation. In Houston, their ranks consist primarily of guys who were DXed from the Sheriff's Dept or PD. Or guys who never made it that far. I've seen some massively fucked up scenes, thanks to those guys. But, that's another topic....

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You got that right Ranger EP, they are more like ex-security guards that got there TCLEOSE cert by mail.

Angry
Thats bullshit. They have the same credentials the SD does and more than HPD in most cases. Constables are broken down into precincts and some do suck but only because of who leads. Same can be said for a shit load of Sheriff dept and PD's. Most of the ones I have encountered have been pretty decent cops. Some sorry mother fuckers too. But, show me a PD that doesnt have a SMF (Sorry Mother Fucker) ratio.

As for the tazering. Fuck that blue headed skank. He did it and I wish he would have fried the cotton off her head. Stupid bitch bowing up to a cop who is just doing his job. I hope her arteries collapse and her vagina swells shut.
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Rock Island Ranger wrote: I hope her arteries collapse and her vagina swells shut.
maybe that's why she was cranky....
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Rock Island Ranger wrote:
AngryPistols wrote:
EarthPig wrote:...
Constables in this state have a horrible reputation. In Houston, their ranks consist primarily of guys who were DXed from the Sheriff's Dept or PD. Or guys who never made it that far. I've seen some massively fucked up scenes, thanks to those guys. But, that's another topic....

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You got that right Ranger EP, they are more like ex-security guards that got there TCLEOSE cert by mail.

Angry
Thats bullshit. They have the same credentials the SD does and more than HPD in most cases. Constables are broken down into precincts and some do suck but only because of who leads. Same can be said for a shit load of Sheriff dept and PD's. Most of the ones I have encountered have been pretty decent cops. Some sorry mother fuckers too. But, show me a PD that doesnt have a SMF (Sorry Mother Fucker) ratio.

As for the tazering. fuck that blue headed skank. He did it and I wish he would have fried the cotton off her head. Stupid bitch bowing up to a cop who is just doing his job. I hope her arteries collapse and her vagina swells shut.
Things may be different now, but when I was working in Houston, that was fact. Don't know if you ever heard of TXXXy MXXXn or not (Pct. 5). Every one of his deputies got fired from the SO. No shit. Maybe they got their shit together after I moved away.

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Once I was dealing with some crazy ass idiot. I had my partner with me and was hoping to avoid a use of force issue. Force would have been justified on the resistive and belligerent asshole, but I thought there was a chance we could get him cuffed quickly, and avoid the extra drama that comes with a force package. We took hold of him and quickly got his hands behind his back. He used the momentum of the movement to face plant himself into a nearby wall that we intended to use for leverage. Now he's kicking and screaming and just making a big ole' scene. We hooked him up, but he continued thrashing all about until we tied him up in one big knot.

I remember thinking that I didn't use the spray or any other technique in an attempt to keep it clean and simple. Now I had a full-blown Internal Affairs roll out to this guy's head injury.

It's definitely not the same as dealing with an old woman, but from that point forward I thought differently. One, it's hard to be such an asshole when your face is on fire and your eyeballs are sucking wind, or when you are learning a whole new respect for electricity. Second, although these less lethal weapons cause a lot of pain, most of the time, they don't injure. Grandma may have a couple of puncture wounds, and perhaps needs to go bury her panties, but she was not injured. I didn't pay close attention to the video, but didn't care that grandma got it. I don't see myself using the taser in that situation, but grandma might have earned the jalapeno burrito for her efforts.
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ANGRYCivilian wrote:Hahahaha! The screams at the end of the video were great.

She brought this down on herself. I'm glad he tazed her ass. Could he have cuffed her without tazing her, and without using so much force as to break her brittle bones? Tazing her may have been the less damaging method of controlling her.

Yes, this is how I saw it as well.
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Yeah, he could have handled it differently. Possibly at the time when she walked back to the rear of her vehicle then stopped. He told her to move, to get her away from traffic, she refused, he moved her, and it went south from there. Instead of pushing her, he could have just taken control of her there and hooked her up ..... but.

At the end of the day, I wasn't there, he warned her repeatedly, he wa responsible for her safety in a dangerous environment, she was being a bitch, and flat our stated "I dare you" when he warned her that if she didn't comply with his commands she would be tazed. The uppidy old bag got the longest five seconds in life. Mabye she ain't too old to learn to do what the fuck the popo tells her to on a stop, but I doubt it.

The old fart thing doens't fly with me though. Old women can be hateful and brutal. I recently dealt with a wheelchair rollin', cracked out blue hair who pulled a blade out of her sleeve and disemboweled some poor schmuck, and never got out of her chair.

At the end of the day, she went safely to jail, and he went home alive, so I say more power to him. He was fucked PR wise either way he went, whether it was hands on or less lethal.
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Chiron wrote:This made the news over here. It looked like the law man was not in control and well tazing a 73 year old woman was the wrong way to go about it. He could have really hurt her. Poor old lady. What if she had a heart condition? Or some other medical issue... He should have used his LE skills and not the tazer. Hell he should have called for back up. Imagine if this where a 20 year old... This LEO needs to do some PT and stop cowering at the site of a 73 year old woman.

Imagine the next day at the shop.... "You had to call for back up on a 73 year old woman!" Oooo that would have hurt more than the tazer. :roll:
Unless you have been tasered yourself, or been trained on its use, you are making an uninformed statement. There is no doubt that this officer could have physically restrained this old lady. The taser is a less lethal tool. It is instantly incapacitating in most cases, but only as long as the taser is activated (5 seconds per trigger squeeze). Once the taser stops, the pain stops and the person has control of their muscles. My agency like most has 4 levels of response, No Force, Ordinary Force, Moderate Force, and Deadly Force. The taser falls within the Ordinary Force, because it is designed to gain compliance without causing injury. Since the use of tasers began the number of reported injuries to both suspects and police officers is down drastically.

If you watched the video in this case the lady was completely out of control, and didn't obey one single command by the officer. They were along the edge of the roadway. What would everyone be saying if she had stepped out into the roadway and was struck by one of those passing cars? Of if the officer was pushed/ slipped or stepped back and was hit. If he had gone hands on with her, there could have easily been an injury to her. Old people's bones are very brittle. I've seen arms broken on more then one occasion by these old bastards, resisting arrest.
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Constable's office said...........fuck you, I'm elected. She needed the double wire dance.
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Ive worked with constables that aren't worth a shit and some that I would trust my back to just as readily as anyone who ever wore a scroll. I was involved in a shooting and a constable who was there with me was awarded a directors award, the highest award for non DPS officers in Texas.
We don't carry tasers yet, but based on our "use of force continuum", I think his actions are justified. Not too long ago a friend of mine and fellow trooper was shot and killed by a 72 year old man. Age isn't a free pass to be an ass. From my experience, punks and thugs at 25 can age to 72 and still be punks and thugs. this lady was way out of line and jeopardized the safety of the officer by causing him to remain roadside to deal with her. far more officers in Texas are killed roadside than feloniously.
As stated earlier...the taser is a less lethal option and after the trigger is released, it has no lasting efffect other than compliance.
If you refuse to sign a ticket, you will be taken in to custody and taken immediatley before a magistrate...if one isnt available, you will be placed in jail until one is. I never give someone the option to sign after the cuffs are on....they had their chance and handcuffing whether off or on is a dangerous situation.
She played the age card and got called.
It is bad PR, but thats what sells newspapers and the press always puts a spin on it.
I would be more likely to tase someone than fight them...and age would not be a factor. I think her chances at injury would have been greater if they wrestled in the ditch, or worse the roadway.
My guess, she wont have a case...as far as use of force is concerned in Texas, I think he will be justified. Too many elderly people have injured officers and killed some too. The result justified the actions...she was taken into custody without injury and the officer went home to his family.
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