GPS at Ranger School

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GPS at Ranger School

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Hello Rangers,

My name is Tarah. My fiance will be going to Ranger School in February, and I saw on the "Optional Items" part of the packing list that students can have a hand held GPS device (Simple, non-mapping, no wrist style). I used the search option on the site, and saw some posts about GPS, but they all referenced mapping types. I am wondering if anyone has knowledge of what brand/model would be the best for me to purchase for RS. Thank you all for your service and I would appreciate anyone pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks!
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Oh you fookin' sissies! A GPS!! Did you bring enough for everyone in the class!!! :roll:

Back when I went through you had to magentize a needle and put it in a Copenhagen can! (hey, this is no shit... I really did have to do that in ILRRPs winter survival course in Germany)

What's next? An IPhone with an app to tell you what OPFOR has MRE leftovers in his pocket?!!
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Ok......I am truly shocked that they would allow a GPS at Ranger School. That said, I do not know anything about hiking type GPSs. My only experience has been driving types that you simply plug in a street address. Can you input 8 digit grids from a terrain map in a hiking style handheld GPS?
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We issued a shit load of wrist GPS's to my Bn.

Why not ?....they are going to use it in combat ....I am sure everyone freaked out when the first ranger class carried PRC 110's
or got all upset at them with a PRC 126 at the squad level....

I am surprised they havent incorperated mounted patrols in Ranger school .....and a street level engagement with locals ....or working out of a FOB instead of a Patrol base ....no camoflage paint and a KBR chow hall ....train as you fight ?....right?...

The Tab is a school after all .....
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Ranger uses GPS now. Land Nav is still in effect for testing and, depending on the RI, GPS in FTX is limited. On the plus side, they're invaluable for emergencies. At PRC we don't allow stud to have a GPS at all although it's on the packing list. Being caught with one is SOR on the spot.

Have him invest in a Garmin E-Trex that can aquire sattelites quickly. I recommend a used one as there is no sense in paying for top-line gadgets that are going to be hammered to shit anyway.

Since he cannot use one at PRC I cannot stress enough that he should focus on pure Land Navigation.

Besides, all it takes is for the CSM to get pissy and they're back to no more GPS.
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Thank you Ranger Kilted Heathen. I will look into those. I was wanting to purchase on for him for Christmas, so I just want to make sure I am buying one that will meet the restrictions in place. Thanks!
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rgrpuck wrote:We issued a shit load of wrist GPS's to my Bn.

Why not ?....they are going to use it in combat ....I am sure everyone freaked out when the first ranger class carried PRC 110's
or got all upset at them with a PRC 126 at the squad level....

I am surprised they havent incorperated mounted patrols in Ranger school .....and a street level engagement with locals ....or working out of a FOB instead of a Patrol base ....no camoflage paint and a KBR chow hall ....train as you fight ?....right?...

The Tab is a school after all .....
Actually Sarn't Major Ranger has recently been doing more vehicle movement annexes there is some level of FOB incorporation and bay planning with the usual Patrol Base and field planning. Ranger actually doesn't fucking wear camo paint anymore.

Before you thumb yourself in the eye, the course still sucks and the new CSM is...awkward.

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missmouse97 wrote:Thank you Ranger Kilted Heathen. I will look into those. I was wanting to purchase on for him for Christmas, so I just want to make sure I am buying one that will meet the restrictions in place. Thanks!
Since it's christmas it'll have to be new. I wouldn't spend more than 100-150 bucks. He just needs the basics and don't get him shit with sexy apps and internet crap, that's a NOGO.
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Ranger School is a joke...it's in need of a MAJOR overhaul which isn't going to happen anytime soon. Advocating the use of a GPS with the reasoning that it's done overseas is about as narrow-minded as you can get.

Wait until we go to war in triple canopy jungle again. Everyone will be wondering why our Ranger qualified leaders can't find an objective or an LZ.

We are teaching warfare, and it's terrain based for a reason. If we are not going to teach it that way just move entire god-damn school to Ft Bliss and reactivate 7th RTB.
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rgrpuck wrote:Why not ?....they are going to use it in combat ....
Sure...they are used on a daily basis these days in the hi-tech Army. I am not so far removed to not realize this. I wish such technology was available back in my day. I would think that everyone who comes to RS have already used them to such a degree that they could be very much dependent on them. What happens when you do not have the crutch of electronics because they fail or get lost? That said, since it is a "school", why not take this opportunity to train using a lensatic compass 100% of the time instead of just on the land navigation test? It would add another stressor. I would think that the use of a GPS takes away the stressor of navigation when it comes to movement phases.

Perhaps I am looking from this in an unrealistic way when it comes to today's army but even back in my day we trained shooting a tank manually in case the electronics failed like the Laser Rangefinders the fed information to a computer for a gunnery solution. Things like this can fail in the heat of battle.

Back in my day, if someone wore a Tab, it was assumed by everyone else that he could "navigate" and was a master at it. In fact, back then, "land navigation skills" was the FIRST and foremost trait people thought of when they saw someone wearing the Tab. A person wearing a Tab had a great deal of pressure on them to NEVER get misoriented. Now take away a GPS from someone today with a Tab......can he still navigate?

How do the new radios compare to the old PRC-77 that I found myself carrying quite a lot in RS in terms of weight? :D :D
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rgrokelley wrote:Back when I went through you had to magentize a needle and put it in a Copenhagen can!
Well they certainly cannot train this field expedient method since Copenhagen nor any other tobacco products are allowed in RS. :shock:
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ZoneIV wrote:
rgrpuck wrote:Why not ?....they are going to use it in combat ....
Back in my day, if someone wore a Tab, it was assumed by everyone else that he could "navigate" and was a master at it. In fact, back then, "land navigation skills" was the FIRST and foremost trait people thought of when they saw someone wearing the Tab. A person wearing a Tab had a great deal of pressure on them to NEVER get misoriented. Now take away a GPS from someone today with a Tab......can he still navigate? :D :D
The RI for my last patrol during the Florida Phase taught me a shitload about land nav and gave me confidence in reading a map and navigating that stayed with me the entire time I was in uniform. Hell, I think I could still take a topographical map and find my way around just about anywhere, mostly thanks to him. I thought I was okay at it anyway but he kept stopping me periodically and told me to show him my location on the map. When he did it at first, I pointed with my finger; he stopped that and told me I could use my finger if I ever make General but until then, he made me use a pine needle. When I showed him where I thought we were, he asked me why. And, he never told me if I was right or wrong. That little "technique" of his was enough to make me continually stay aware of my surroundings and be more observant when moving. A "little thing" like that helped immensely while I was on active duty and I never did get "misoriented" because of what he taught me that day.
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Rangers,

Thank you for the replies. I am really just looking for a good Christmas present, and thought that might be helpful in RS. I have read many of your posts and have read to use whatever advantages you can to get through. I found it odd that they were allowed to bring one too!

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Sorry to hijack your question Tarah with my comment. I was just a little surprised about the use of GPSs at RS. That said, you will find at times that what starts out as a simple request for information like yours, can evolve into a discussions and recollections of the past. This happens quite frequently on this site. There are a bunch of us old guys here. :D Your asking about what GPS to buy was simply a catalyst for a "land navigation" discussion. Heck...someone asked in another forum where to buy Jump Boots near Fr. Lewis and that turned into a 6 page thread.

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