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Question About Air Assault and Airborne

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Rangers,
To start off, since there isn't an Air Assault section I thought I'd post it here and let it get moved wherever it should go.

Second, it's been close to a year since I last posted here. I have always been able to come to all of you Rangers and get very valuable advice, and that is what brings me back here. My last post was asking various Rangers about qualification for Airborne school, as I am in ROTC and the slots we get are very limited and competitive. I realized coming back here that I never posted the results, and I had one guy beat me out to make it to jump school. This year we had the same thing, an OML 5 mile run as well as pull ups and a rope climb. After completing that, I found out that I am ranked 4th in our ROTC battalion and will have my choice of a slot either in January or in this coming summer.

So Rangers, here are my 2 questions. First of all, which school should I go to? I've always wanted Airborne, but the more I think about it the more I think it would make sense to go to Air Assault. I am planning to go Infantry when I commission, and I kind of assume that going infantry and going through Ranger School I will have a good shot at getting Airborne if I were not to get another slot next year. So for my first question, would you Rangers recommend that in my situation I go to Airborne or Air Assault? Regardless, I should be able to make it to the other the following summer, but what would be the logical decision?

My second question is more about Air Assault. If I do in fact go to Air Assault, what should I do to prepare and what should I know before hand? There's a kid 2 years older than me that went this summer and failed, and I will not be the guy who messes up one small thing that screws me over. So do you Rangers have any recommendations for preparations for Air Assault, whether it be skills or PT or anything?
As always, thank you Rangers very much both for your service and for your advice. God Bless.


P.S. As it has been almost a year since my last post, please let me know if I should post an updated introduction. Thank you Rangers.

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Clearly, you should go to Air Assault (AA, from here out for all you drinkers and smartasses :wink: ) since it is the hardest school in the Army! :roll: Just ask RRDTm3 about his experience :lol:


In all seriousness stud, take the Airborne slot. AA is basically a waste of time. Having said that, if you choose to take the AA slot, make sure you pay attention to detail. Sling load test is what gets most people.
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JLTW!!! wrote:Clearly, you should go to Air Assault (AA, from here out for all you drinkers and smartasses :wink: ) since it is the hardest school in the Army! :roll: Just ask RRDTm3 about his experience :lol:


In all seriousness stud, take the Airborne slot. AA is basically a waste of time. Having said that, if you choose to take the AA slot, make sure you pay attention to detail. Sling load test is what gets most people.
Thank you Ranger JLTW!!! I know the sling load test is what made the guy in our battalion fail. From what I've heard, AA is more difficult and more of a waste of time, but this leads me to another question. For any Rangers or anybody else, if you were in a unit with a new Lieutenant coming in fresh out of ROTC, would your perception of him be any different if he had both Airborne and Air Assault as opposed to just Airborne? Or would it not really matter? I know respect is earned, but does it help for initial trust and perception?

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andok wrote:
JLTW!!! wrote:Clearly, you should go to Air Assault (AA, from here out for all you drinkers and smartasses :wink: ) since it is the hardest school in the Army! :roll: Just ask RRDTm3 about his experience :lol:


In all seriousness stud, take the Airborne slot. AA is basically a waste of time. Having said that, if you choose to take the AA slot, make sure you pay attention to detail. Sling load test is what gets most people.
Thank you Ranger JLTW!!! I know the sling load test is what made the guy in our battalion fail. From what I've heard, AA is more difficult and more of a waste of time, but this leads me to another question. For any Rangers or anybody else, if you were in a unit with a new Lieutenant coming in fresh out of ROTC, would your perception of him be any different if he had both Airborne and Air Assault as opposed to just Airborne? Or would it not really matter? I know respect is earned, but does it help for initial trust and perception?
My opinion of a fresh out of ROTC LT with both Airborne and Air Assault? Most likely it would have been "great, another cherry officer who can't pour pee out his boot with directions on the heel. A tourist who merely visits here for a year, while this is my home."

By the way, units in the Army don't run down the road singing "I want to be an Air Assault soldier". There isn't a lot of Air Assault posers, and if there was, who would care.

As far as I know there is no brotherhood known as "ArmyAirAssault.com".

Telling the average civilian you were Air Assault usually gets you a typical dumb stare. Tell them you are a Ranger and there is instant recognition.

Though every unit in the army and the Marines like to tell you that they are "first in", we all know who was really there first. No brag, just historical fact. I think Air Assault comes arrives on the battlefield sometimes after the Indiana National Guard, and sometime before AAFES.

Finally, the only reason Air Assault school was created was to soothe the shattered egos of 101st soldiers who no longer were the tip of the spear, and who wore a lie above their unit patch.

What's next? Sapper School in lieu of Ranger school?
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Something no one has told you yet!

If you enter active duty service as an Officer there is a better than good chance you will be allotted an Airborne (ABN) slot during your BOLC II and III adventure. So...given that "chance" and you take AAS (Air Assault) now there is a possibility you could show up to your first unit with both AAS and ABN.


I would also like to add this (given the slant of previous posts), You should always jump at the opportunity to attend any Army courses throughout your time of service in the Army! Do not ever refuse a school because you think "It is below you and your superior skill set".

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I think your best choice is to go to Airborne.

1) As a cadet, you have zero time on active duty. Airborne is taught in a manner that is unlike any other school in the Army, and would be the best 'first taste' of the Army. You'll get a chance to meet RIP soldiers, big Army sergeants, fellow cadets, etc. At AASLT, you'll meet a bunch of dudes from 1 division.

2) Jumping out of a plane is a gut check unlike any other. You need to experience this as soon as possible. You need to know what it is like to put your life in the hands of fellow soldiers (riggers, jumpmasters, etc.) and your equipment. After Airborne, a cadet is able to conquer a lot more fear than before.

3) AASLT has a very high drop rate, instructors with unwarranted big egos, and teaches skills that are less practical than what you would get at Airborne. I didn't go until they made me. By that time, I was already running Brigade level pick up zones.

4) You assume you'll get an ABN slot as a 2LT. Keep in mind, by then we will have a different CinC with different priorities. You may not.

Take the best of the two schools where you will get the most. Go Airborne.
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There are a number of us FOGs who have conducted significant numbers of Combat AirAssault operations without benefit of having attended AA school.

As a cadet, you would be much better off attending the Airborne course, that way it is out of the way and you can go right to Ranger following the basic course. If you happen to be assigned to the 101st, they will get you an AA slot, but you will already have Airborne out of the way.
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You got a 360 degree view from some gents who have been there and done that and their advise is spot on. Scare badges are fine but I can honestly say that not one person I ever met saw an Airborne wing or Bullwinkle bage and cringed in fear. Forget the perception issue. Think of it like this.

1. I get to jump out of planes. (I put it first for a reason)
2. I get to get dogged without purpose for 10 days, learn how to tie shit up and ride in a helicopter. After which, they tell you it was the 10 hardest days of your life. (Its a lie)

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Airborne. All The Way.
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Thank all of you Rangers. Ranger Pocketkings, you bring up a very good point that I've been discussing with my cadre as well. Especially with the new Commander in Chief, priorities may not be the same, and if something happens I'd rather miss out on Air Assault than Airborne. If everything goes the way I want and expect it to, I should be at the top of the list to go to what I want next year as well, in which case if I went Airborne this summer I'd go Air Assault next summer and vice versa.

I am thinking for now that as a logical choice it would make more sense to go with Airborne so that in case some unknown situation arises I have the most important school. As far as what you said Ranger Silverback, I have been and will always be ready to jump at the first opportunity to attend any school in the Army. ROTC here also offers Mountain Warfare as an option, so in an ideal situation I could get Airborne this summer, Air Assault after LDAC next summer, and Mountain Warfare during January of my senior year. But as you said, I have and will jump at any opportunity to better my knowledge of my job and the job of others around me to be the best soldier and leader I can possibly be.

Again, thank you Rangers for all of your advice. I'd still be more than happy to hear any other suggestions from any other Rangers to solidify my decision.

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I went to Air Assualt @ the age of 38. Fat and way out of shape! I was honor grad so what does that tell ya
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I would place Mountain/Northern Warfare above AASLT as well. Lots of good training at those schools.
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Be a real man and go to Pathfinder instead of AA. :lol:
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Parabellum wrote:Be a real man and go to Pathfinder instead of AA. :lol:
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rgrokelley wrote:
andok wrote:
JLTW!!! wrote:Clearly, you should go to Air Assault (AA, from here out for all you drinkers and smartasses :wink: ) since it is the hardest school in the Army! :roll: Just ask RRDTm3 about his experience :lol:


In all seriousness stud, take the Airborne slot. AA is basically a waste of time. Having said that, if you choose to take the AA slot, make sure you pay attention to detail. Sling load test is what gets most people.
Thank you Ranger JLTW!!! I know the sling load test is what made the guy in our battalion fail. From what I've heard, AA is more difficult and more of a waste of time, but this leads me to another question. For any Rangers or anybody else, if you were in a unit with a new Lieutenant coming in fresh out of ROTC, would your perception of him be any different if he had both Airborne and Air Assault as opposed to just Airborne? Or would it not really matter? I know respect is earned, but does it help for initial trust and perception?
My opinion of a fresh out of ROTC LT with both Airborne and Air Assault? Most likely it would have been "great, another cherry officer who can't pour pee out his boot with directions on the heel. A tourist who merely visits here for a year, while this is my home."

By the way, units in the Army don't run down the road singing "I want to be an Air Assault soldier". There isn't a lot of Air Assault posers, and if there was, who would care.

As far as I know there is no brotherhood known as "ArmyAirAssault.com".

Telling the average civilian you were Air Assault usually gets you a typical dumb stare. Tell them you are a Ranger and there is instant recognition.

Though every unit in the army and the Marines like to tell you that they are "first in", we all know who was really there first. No brag, just historical fact. I think Air Assault comes arrives on the battlefield sometimes after the Indiana National Guard, and sometime before AAFES.

Finally, the only reason Air Assault school was created was to soothe the shattered egos of 101st soldiers who no longer were the tip of the spear, and who wore a lie above their unit patch.

What's next? Sapper School in lieu of Ranger school?
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