Which Martial Art?

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Most guys who go to MMA class and say they are "fighters" are dumbasses. They think that they can train for a few weeks and poof, they are badasses. I started with BJJ, after getting comfortable on the ground, I started boxing. For me the ground game is alot easier, but thats because I had a wrestling background. It all depends on the individual I guess. But seriously, Aikido is for fags.
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chuck976 wrote:Hey Rangers. This summer I am going to have a descent amount of free time before heading off to college next year and I was thinking about getting into a martial art. I have been thinking about it for a while, but I'm not sure which one to try out. I have been thinking about just taking boxing lessons from a small gym in ghetto Covington, KY. I looked on here though and found many many more martial arts that seem like they would be very helpful too (Aikido, Krav Maga, or Ju-Jitsu). I live in Cincinnati, so if anyone knows of a good place I'm all ears.
Go to the boxing gym down the street. Boxing is the traditional American Martial Art. Get in shape, learn how to punch with power, then you can move on to another art like Muay Tai that will teach you effective kicks, elbow and knee strikes, then you can move on to some ground art.

Just get started and keep going till you toughen up. The first phase will have you very sore until your body and mind adapt to the rigors of a good boxing gym.

Post which one you joined and why.

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Krav Maga

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Last thing you will EVER want to do is "go to" or "get taken" to the ground on the street. UFC is fun to watch but that is a "sport" where there are "rules". While it has great street implications, the BJJ/MMA crowd are far from the ultimate street art.

As stated several times here already Boxing is the shit. Key to winning a fight is hit first, hit hard and move out. Once a solid background skill set is achieved in boxing, I'd move on to some training in any of the combatives related arts, Krav Maga being one.

For my money, Kuntao and Silat are the shit. Just absolutely vicious. Born in the streets of several vicious forms. Both facilitate the knife. Can't go wrong.
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Well it depends on your goals but my experience is with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Thai boxing, Boxing and Wrestling. I have been training for a little over two years out of Lloyd Irvings: The Lab Mixed Martial Arts in Fredericksburg, Virginia.

I feel for both real life and tournament surroundings having a grasp of both standing and ground work is the best route when discussing self defense or practical situations. I speak from experience when I say when you are attacked in the real world the "attacker" does not always want to throw just punches or just wrestle. But if I had a choice BJJ would be it as the situations I have had thrust upon me I handled with my abilitys in the clinch and on the grounnd as once the attacker realizes your knowledge of striking he typically wants to avoid it which means that distance will be dramatically reduced.
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colt1rgr wrote:Last thing you will EVER want to do is "go to" or "get taken" to the ground on the street. UFC is fun to watch but that is a "sport" where there are "rules". While it has great street implications, the BJJ/MMA crowd are far from the ultimate street art.

As stated several times here already Boxing is the shit. Key to winning a fight is hit first, hit hard and move out. Once a solid background skill set is achieved in boxing, I'd move on to some training in any of the combatives related arts, Krav Maga being one.

For my money, Kuntao and Silat are the shit. Just absolutely vicious. Born in the streets of several vicious forms. Both facilitate the knife. Can't go wrong.
Ranger colt1rgr I agree with you fully but the only thing I want to point out is on the "street" or in a real life practical situation your attacker will not always want to allow the fight to stay standing and 90% of street combat situations do end up on the ground.

But boxing as Ranger colt1rgr pointed out is a great tool to have on your belt.
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Praetorian wrote:
colt1rgr wrote:Last thing you will EVER want to do is "go to" or "get taken" to the ground on the street. UFC is fun to watch but that is a "sport" where there are "rules". While it has great street implications, the BJJ/MMA crowd are far from the ultimate street art.

As stated several times here already Boxing is the shit. Key to winning a fight is hit first, hit hard and move out. Once a solid background skill set is achieved in boxing, I'd move on to some training in any of the combatives related arts, Krav Maga being one.

For my money, Kuntao and Silat are the shit. Just absolutely vicious. Born in the streets of several vicious forms. Both facilitate the knife. Can't go wrong.
Ranger colt1rgr I agree with you fully but the only thing I want to point out is on the "street" or in a real life practical situation your attacker will not always want to allow the fight to stay standing and 90% of street combat situations do end up on the ground.

But boxing as Ranger colt1rgr pointed out is a great tool to have on your belt.
Just because you have done some MMA training and you own every Affliction, Tap Out and UFC shirt that you can get your hands on, does not mean that you can give advise on what will save you life in a real fight. As I have said in the past, MMA fighting has rules, and the real world doesn't. Until you have actually had to go hand to hand with somebody that is set on killing you and not just making you tap out, keep your opinions to yourself.
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Rangerguru wrote:
Praetorian wrote:
colt1rgr wrote:Last thing you will EVER want to do is "go to" or "get taken" to the ground on the street. UFC is fun to watch but that is a "sport" where there are "rules". While it has great street implications, the BJJ/MMA crowd are far from the ultimate street art.

As stated several times here already Boxing is the shit. Key to winning a fight is hit first, hit hard and move out. Once a solid background skill set is achieved in boxing, I'd move on to some training in any of the combatives related arts, Krav Maga being one.

For my money, Kuntao and Silat are the shit. Just absolutely vicious. Born in the streets of several vicious forms. Both facilitate the knife. Can't go wrong.
Ranger colt1rgr I agree with you fully but the only thing I want to point out is on the "street" or in a real life practical situation your attacker will not always want to allow the fight to stay standing and 90% of street combat situations do end up on the ground.

But boxing as Ranger colt1rgr pointed out is a great tool to have on your belt.
Just because you have done some MMA training and you own every Affliction, Tap Out and UFC shirt that you can get your hands on, does not mean that you can give advise on what will save you life in a real fight. As I have said in the past, MMA fighting has rules, and the real world doesn't. Until you have actually had to go hand to hand with somebody that is set on killing you and not just making you tap out, keep your opinions to yourself.

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Rangerguru wrote:
Praetorian wrote:
colt1rgr wrote:Last thing you will EVER want to do is "go to" or "get taken" to the ground on the street. UFC is fun to watch but that is a "sport" where there are "rules". While it has great street implications, the BJJ/MMA crowd are far from the ultimate street art.

As stated several times here already Boxing is the shit. Key to winning a fight is hit first, hit hard and move out. Once a solid background skill set is achieved in boxing, I'd move on to some training in any of the combatives related arts, Krav Maga being one.

For my money, Kuntao and Silat are the shit. Just absolutely vicious. Born in the streets of several vicious forms. Both facilitate the knife. Can't go wrong.
Ranger colt1rgr I agree with you fully but the only thing I want to point out is on the "street" or in a real life practical situation your attacker will not always want to allow the fight to stay standing and 90% of street combat situations do end up on the ground.

But boxing as Ranger colt1rgr pointed out is a great tool to have on your belt.
Just because you have done some MMA training and you own every Affliction, Tap Out and UFC shirt that you can get your hands on, does not mean that you can give advise on what will save you life in a real fight. As I have said in the past, MMA fighting has rules, and the real world doesn't. Until you have actually had to go hand to hand with somebody that is set on killing you and not just making you tap out, keep your opinions to yourself.

Ranger colt1rgr,

I understand you have seen more life threatening situations than I have or possibly ever will see and to agrue this point would be fruitless and childish. Mixed Martial Arts happens to be an aspect of these forums that I have experience in and out of the ring/mat/cage or whatever venue it may be, I will refrain from providing information to members of this board when there are men such as yourself here already providing advice.

Also I do not own any tapout or UFC gear :mrgreen: but I do own a few "Sprawl" shirts so I guess I can be stoned alive for that one.
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Rangerguru wrote:Until you have actually had to go hand to hand with somebody that is set on killing you and not just making you tap out, keep your opinions to yourself.
And how often has that happened to you?

You're seriously insinuating that being fast on your feet, good with strikes, kicks and wrestling is a disadvantage because some dipshit fratboy wants to run around in an affliction shirt?

Having a good mix of BJJ, MT and Boxing sets you up for success no matter what kind of a fight you are in. Praetorian has made some valid points and he's getting a lecture on Krav Maga. If it's so badass and there's so many people in "life or death hand to hand" fights that it's the only tool necessary to win a fight, how come nobody in USMIL is systematically being instructed on it?

To insinuate that one could not use MMA training to defend yourself in a life-threatening situation is beyond common sense. The only thing that keep MMA fighters from seriously injuring each other are the refs who jump in.

As long as Praetorian stays respectful in here, which is advised for anyone here also, he can state his opinions freely.
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Praetorian wrote:... 90% of street combat situations do end up on the ground...
Yeah, but it's usually only one man on the ground and he's the guy who was hit first and hardest and most often with a fist to the head.
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Nomad wrote:
Rangerguru wrote:Until you have actually had to go hand to hand with somebody that is set on killing you and not just making you tap out, keep your opinions to yourself.
And how often has that happened to you?

You're seriously insinuating that being fast on your feet, good with strikes, kicks and wrestling is a disadvantage because some dipshit fratboy wants to run around in an affliction shirt?

Having a good mix of BJJ, MT and Boxing sets you up for success no matter what kind of a fight you are in. Praetorian has made some valid points and he's getting a lecture on Krav Maga. If it's so badass and there's so many people in "life or death hand to hand" fights that it's the only tool necessary to win a fight, how come nobody in USMIL is systematically being instructed on it?

To insinuate that one could not use MMA training to defend yourself in a life-threatening situation is beyond common sense. The only thing that keep MMA fighters from seriously injuring each other are the refs who jump in.

As long as Praetorian stays respectful in here, which is advised for anyone here also, he can state his opinions freely.
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Let's not forget physical conditioning too. Running out of gas in a fight is not fun!
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panthersix wrote:Let's not forget physical conditioning too. Running out of gas in a fight is not fun!

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Praetorian, your posts are not that out of line. Just try to keep in the spirit of the thread and post your experiences instead of "giving advice". You seem to have some experiences that you would like to share. Just try not to be the subject matter expert. You've said yourself that you have only done this for a couple of years. Keep participating, check the "expert advice".
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