Obama to seek new Assault Weapons ban

[BadMuther]

Obama knows he's pushing people towards a rebellion. Gotta disarm the populace before pushing for more socialism.

[Silverback]

Obama knows he's pushing people towards a rebellion. Gotta disarm the populace before pushing for more socialism.

Do you seriously think that armed rebellion is anything more than a cornbread inspired fantasy?

[BadMuther]

Obama knows he's pushing people towards a rebellion. Gotta disarm the populace before pushing for more socialism.

Do you seriously think that armed rebellion is anything more than a cornbread inspired fantasy?

25 states have drawn up papers about suceeding from the union...in Obama's first month.

People are only going to take so much. If he bans talk radio (first amendment) and bans/taxes ammo out of existence, I know a lot of folks aren't going to take it.

So no, it's not a "cornbread" fantasy. FYI, you better assimilate better in 'Bama so you don't get mistaken for a Yankee when the revolution comes.

[RangerX]

A better way to curb the drug violence in Mexico would be a thorough review & reform of our drug laws.

Take away the illicit profit & the violence will evaporate. Think prohibition.

Also, I would think that drug gangs are much more interested in full auto than semi, so how will this ban reduce that issue again?

[rgrokelley]

Obama knows he's pushing people towards a rebellion. Gotta disarm the populace before pushing for more socialism.

Do you seriously think that armed rebellion is anything more than a cornbread inspired fantasy?

I skied in Sarajevo in the 1980s. I never thought there would be an armed rebellion within a few years.

I watched Russian soldiers across the border. I never thought that Soviet Union would fall in my lifetime.

I saw Rumania fall, live, on television.

History repeatedly proves that if people do not think there is any other solution, the only resort they have is to the use of arms.

[BadMuther]

A better way to curb the drug violence in Mexico would be a thorough review & reform of our drug laws.

Take away the illicit profit & the violence will evaporate. Think prohibition.

Also, I would think that drug gangs are much more interested in full auto than semi, so how will this ban reduce that issue again?

Doesn't prohibition kinda disprove your point?

[RangerX]

A better way to curb the drug violence in Mexico would be a thorough review & reform of our drug laws.

Take away the illicit profit & the violence will evaporate. Think prohibition.

Also, I would think that drug gangs are much more interested in full auto than semi, so how will this ban reduce that issue again?

Doesn't prohibition kinda disprove your point?

Just the opposite. Prohibition reflects our current model. While alcohol was illegal, crime related to the illicit trade of alcohol was rampant & vast sums of illegal revenue was generated. Once repealed, the profit immediately dried up and related criminal activity significantly declined almost immediately. in addition studies have shown that alcohol abuse actually went down after the repeal.

Similar statistics have been found in countries where decriminalization experiments have taken place. In the UK, within 1 year of decriminalization, admitted cannabis use dropped by more than 20%.

i could go on for days, but this is one of the religious discussions where it is almost impossible to change someone's mind.

[BadMuther]

A better way to curb the drug violence in Mexico would be a thorough review & reform of our drug laws.

Take away the illicit profit & the violence will evaporate. Think prohibition.

Also, I would think that drug gangs are much more interested in full auto than semi, so how will this ban reduce that issue again?

Doesn't prohibition kinda disprove your point?

Just the opposite. Prohibition reflects our current model. While alcohol was illegal, crime related to the illicit trade of alcohol was rampant & vast sums of illegal revenue was generated. Once repealed, the profit immediately dried up and related criminal activity significantly declined almost immediately. in addition studies have shown that alcohol abuse actually went down after the repeal.

Similar statistics have been found in countries where decriminalization experiments have taken place. In the UK, within 1 year of decriminalization, admitted cannabis use dropped by more than 20%.

i could go on for days, but this is one of the religious discussions where it is almost impossible to change someone's mind.

I'd disagree with your last line. It really wouldn't bother me if they decriminilized pot. But I don't think that legalize all drugs would make the violence go away.

Crackheads will steal to pay for their high whether their drug of choice is legal or not. Cartels will still push drugs even if drugs were legalized. And that competition would keep the violence going.

But I'm open to your thoughts on what you think we as a country could do.

Jim

[Ranger Bill]

Never will I understand the liberal "logic" of how restricting the right of law-abiding citizens to own arms will result in criminals obeying laws.

[RangerX]

But I don't think that legalize all drugs would make the violence go away.

Crackheads will steal to pay for their high whether their drug of choice is legal or not.

Just like alcohol related violence continues, but a dramatically lower rates. Until humans come to a point where we are no longer a violent species ( ) then any excess & fanaticism will entail some violence.

Cartels will still push drugs even if drugs were legalized. And that competition would keep the violence going.

Going back to the Prohibition Model for a moment. Drugs that grow convert cartels in to farmers, with organization. Drugs that involve some form of processing converts cartels in to distilleries of sorts. the profits would not be as large, but the risk would not be as great either. I don't know about you, but I'd rather make a million $ a year without the risk of death, dismemberment of danger to my family from competitors & governments compared to 5 million $ a year with the risks. that's just me though (all numbers arbitrary for discussions sake).

But I'm open to your thoughts on what you think we as a country could do.

Jim

It's a tough one to consider. Some substances are no brainers, such as anything that can be cultivated at home, or have no lethal side effects. Other drugs are harder to contemplate. If we took a long hard intelligent look at the situation, I truly believe it is possible to drastically reduce the abuse we see today. No kid growing up now thinks to themselves "I want to be an alcoholic or addict". the problem as I see it is that we have stigmatized so many things that credibility goes down the toilet once experimentation starts. I've already seen too many kids who thought "they lied about this, what else did they lie about" and found themselves in dire straights, if not dead.

If decriminalization does happen in this country, it will need to be done by people who are level headed and more intelligent than me.

I personally like Spain's model. trafficking is still vigorously prosecuted, but individual users area actually encouraged to cultivate for themselves. It's not necessarily the best model, but it is a good start, and keeps otherwise "normal" people from being classified as criminals.

[Flesh Thorn]

Guns and ammunition are probably the one bright light in this economy and Obama wants to shut it down. Talk about fucking dumb asses.

[wade_the_duck]

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Hopefully this attitude will continue but I'm not holding my breath